A lot of people are complaining about this work. It's a mature story for mature people. I ...

Miwa October 26, 2017 5:00 pm

A lot of people are complaining about this work. It's a mature story for mature people. I suspect there are a lot of young people reading this with a simple black and white mindset about how relationships and stories (particularity romance) should go. If you don't like it fine, but don't say something is "bad" just because you don't understand it or it's not your kind of story. Relationships and people are complicated yet simple, contradictory just like everything else in life. And a lot of the time shit doesn't make sense. Welcome to life, folks.

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    Miwa November 18, 2017 3:26 pm
    tdlr: like the bad writing all you want. But just because you're so proud that you can't take that you like something that is bad writing that you have to make it seem like a good writing. It's wrong. That's ve... @Anonymous

    It seems you're disillusioned to what writing and art are. And I find your statements about opinions and pride ironic. That aside, writing is NOT objective. It is technical to a degree, yes, but writers and publishers can't even agree on grammar, let alone what a "story" or "plot" is. Go up to any writer and tell them "there is a right and wrong way to tell a story" and they'll laugh in your face (if you're lucky).

    What you refer to as "good" writing is most likely the Aristotelian plot structure and other predominant views within the academia, i.e., the stuff they might teach you in a writing class. In fact, the academia decides most people's views without them (the people) knowing it (like how people think the stuff they learn in school is "fact" instead of interpretation). A predominant view isn't a "right" view, it's an expected or common view.

    Bottom line: there are many ways to tell a story, and it's far from black and white (more like shades of grey, just like everything else in life). Take this from someone who has an MA and has worked in publishing for five years (or don't...).

    PS In publishing, we typically judge a work by expectations and convention (how well-received it will be by an audience). I find when people say something is "bad", most of the time they mean "it wasn't what I expected", not only on a conscious level but a subconscious level too. Self-awareness is a key quality of a "good" reader.

    Anonymous November 19, 2017 6:40 am
    It seems you're disillusioned to what writing and art are. And I find your statements about opinions and pride ironic. That aside, writing is NOT objective. It is technical to a degree, yes, but writers and pub... Miwa

    Sorry. I can't take your words for it. I can just as easily say that I'm an editor and work in publishing.There are good and bad writing. It's why you get critics for it. If 'bad' is simply because it is unexpected then people wouldn't call this a bad writing since the plot is so obvious. Bad writing is the fact that they introduce plots and points and did nothing to resolve it. Bad writing is writing sad scenes for the sake of sad scenes, but no character development, nothing you can learn from it. Where's the character growth? Why did you bring in 'sad' scenes if it did nothing?

    This is an obvious ploy to tug at emotional heartstrings that people and mostly girls will fall for because they are more emotional. Saying this as a girl myself. And people use that as an excuse. Girls like a little bit of sadness so that they feel better when there's a happy ending to it. It's why the mangaka did it so well. If it were to end in a sad ending, you will see so many more girls saying it was a bad writing. Facts is, when you see the comment section after the manga completion. You see exactly this. People who are happy just because the couple ended up together. It's obvious so your 'unexpected' means bad is ridiculous. But then you also have people in the comment section who KNOWS this is a bad writing. But then people like you would say 'no it's only for the mature' which I utterly gag at. Mostly because it reminds me of my teenage self. Sorry, if I'm too old to be happy simply at a happy ending. Too old to take sad scenes just for sad scenes as 'mature'.

    I've read books and mangas with nothing but depressing shit but it had a point, it had a resolution, good or bad. But if you put such scenes just so that you can get emotional response from readers, you obviously do not have good planning. It's why people who say 'why do you kill this character suddenly' for tv shows is so that they can get ratings. You do nothing but the sake for viewership and adds nothing to the story.

    Essentially what this story did.

    And people like you would write it off as a mature piece simply for the emotional response it gives.

    Anonymous November 19, 2017 6:54 am
    It seems you're disillusioned to what writing and art are. And I find your statements about opinions and pride ironic. That aside, writing is NOT objective. It is technical to a degree, yes, but writers and pub... Miwa

    Lol. I also saw your reply to someone else. There's a narrative to the story which is a good one. Lol. I really laughed out loud. Now I know why you think it's a good one. What just because you could find the 'narrative' you think it's mature. Even when you have a narrative it has to be properly told. You don't need the large amount of flashbacks to say that you're stuck in the past and you shouldn't be. The mangaka could have done it in multiple ways. She could have shown how past memories affected the present. Affected how the characters interact with each other.

    But the mangaka basically showed some scenes of the uke thinking of the new partner as his ex. Repeatedly. Don't actually show how it affects the r/s btw the main characters. Just basically sex and ex face, sex and ex face. How did it actually affect? Very mature indeed. Then the mangaka lazily showed a flashback to explain the whole past. Bring the ex back. Then say that the ex is different from the new one. Without having any context to show that, but readers are expected to take the mangaka's word for it. The mangaka has done the MOST OBVIOUS Tell but don't show ploy. Basically telling you, here sad scene, here flashback, here break up, here 'resolution' and the resolution is basically the fucking character once again TELLING YOU how the ex and the new one is different. Not by the readers seeing the actions, not be the readers seeing how the main characters interact. But I guess people who simply like being told HEY RESOLUTION here without any proper development and buildup would like it. Happy endings all around. Wish I was a teenage girl so I could mindlessly enjoy this story.

    Probably why you think it's a good story too.

    Anonymous November 19, 2017 6:55 am
    Lol. I also saw your reply to someone else. There's a narrative to the story which is a good one. Lol. I really laughed out loud. Now I know why you think it's a good one. What just because you could find the '... @Anonymous

    I literally would have loved if the main characters did not go together. I wouldn't have gotten angry because it made more sense. I wouldn't have minded it if she followed through. But this is beyond ridiculous.