I really don't warm to "baby," "bit" or "pretty baby bit." Vom. Nicknames like that are so...

I was about to comment your FIRST SENTENCE, been reading both american LGBT and Yaoi for 15 years and I cringe at pet-names like baby-darling-love, BUT for the first time, ever, I found another angle as to why people use endearing terms that way. Here they're both alphas and Chay using it sounded so sexaaaay.

In real life there’s no such thing as werewolves xd the rules are pretty much what she wants them to be.

And I can’t agree with you on the pet names thing, i love pet names. I can see how some people don’t, but it comes from a place of affection. Bit is a really cute one.

I can see how Chay could be using them with a bit of irony since Keaton is so powerful... I'll tell myself that to make it easier to deal with! Chay is sexy in all other ways! Some pet names aren't cringeworthy, but "baby" is not one I like, for myself irl and especially in yaoi. "Baby boy" is one I've read - double vom! That is a pet name for an actual pet. Or an actual baby.

Haha yes, her wolves, her rules!

"Bit" is cute in the sense that Spike calls Dawn "Little bit" in Buffy... but that's kinda my point, he calls her that because he feels affection for her as a cute little sister, not as an equal in a romantic relationship. I think what also bothers me about it in BL is that it's almost always semes, especially bi or previously-straight semes, who call ukes overly cutesy pet names like that. It feels like they're treating them like women, which I can't imagine any gay man would actually like. In fact, Keaton doesn't like Chay's pet names.
I know it's BL, which is hardly ever realistic, and it's a minor criticism (I do like this story!)... but it breaks the magic for me a bit.

All of this hinges on your flawed perception of viewing something as "cute" being dehumanizing.

I really don't know where you get "dehumanizing" from, I never said anything like that. (You might say... that is YOUR flawed perception of my opinion.) I said patronising, as in speaking from a position of feeling superior in some way, and infantilising, which means putting the person to whom you're speaking in a childlike/infant-esque position in relation to yourself.
It's not seeing something as "cute" that's the problem for me, at all. Anyone can be cute, or do cute things. And telling someone they're cute (or pretty) isn't necessarily patronising in any way. With too-cutesy pet names, especially in yaoi, it comes down to acting or sounding kind of like the "baby" is not equal to oneself. I personally don't find that vibe appealing.

I have read all the novels of this series and I can tell you first hand, for all of this authors works (this series and others) there are pet names. And for me "bit" is the most tolerable of them all. So if all of this series manga version gets translated be mentally prepared for a shit ton of pet names. (￣∇￣")

Oh yeah J.L.Langly is aallll about the pet names xd she and I have that in common.

Thanks for the warning! I do think it's good that the manga is so faithful to the novels, I respect that... but ah damn, why can't he just call him "love" or something??
(￣∇￣") As I said, I like the art and story - the pet names are the only thing I *don't* like and they don't put me off the whole manga, they pretty much just make Chay less attractive to me. So I'll try to prepare myself!

Potato potato? I love it when people try to play around with the words they used so the impact they left isn't as great. The gist was that being called nicknames triggers you because, for some reason, you associate them with feelings of superiority, like it puts you on a lower level than them somehow.

*Sigh* I love it when people pretend to be speaking generally as a way to be passive-aggressive. I wasn't lessening the impact, I was being accurate. There's a difference.

Nicknames in general are not an issue. Some endearments are fine for me, to use and to be called myself. But not really cutesy (also note: I said "cutesy," not "cute") diminutive ones like baby, babydoll etc. I find those a major turn-off. And they do have connotations that are patronising and infantilising. That's not being triggered, it's personally not liking something that some people do in relationships, IRL or in manga. It's fine if you like them, but it makes Chay less attractive to me.

I doubt this is going to be any kind of profitable conversation.

If you want to believe that being called baby or baby doll outside the context of harassment is somehow "patronizing and infantilising" feel free, i just fail to see how you do. It must suck to go outside and be triggered by small, everday things. I'm not sure how you handle the stress. Do you get called uptight often?

Nope. Do you get called an arsehole often? What's the point of being so ridiculous and hostile? Does my opinion affect you in some way? Do you even have any real thoughts to back up your "I think you're wrong and I can't handle it, but I don't have any actual ideas so I have to express it like a rude child" whinging? You seem to get triggered pretty easily by other people viewing things differently than you do. And it's even online, so I guess you don't even have to go outside to be triggered. Congratulations!

Damn. I was going to leave it but I hate being rude so I apologise. I think we should just agree to disagree and get on with our lives, this issue is not a big deal.

I get it 100% because I felt exactly as you are feeling with another couple in this series. And I hold so much respect to the mangaka for sticking to the novel!

I have honestly read so many of her series I'm a big fan. It was actually thanks to this manga that I found her.

I feel like you definitely get called uptight often, or at least you would if you had people around you. It's a very typical argument of stuck up people to say "well it's just my opinion". Can't say i'm surprised. You just asked me if i have "proof to back up my thoughts", we were talking in the context of someone familiar with you calling you baby or babydoll, in this context it wouldn't be rude as it'd be being used as a form of endearment. You asking if i have "proof" of that is like asking if i have proof that the sky is blue, you can look up and see it is so. You could ask the person whether or not they're trying to be patronizing rather than assuming, you can listen to the tone of their voice and see the look in their eyes telling you they aren't being an asshole. Get your head out of your ass and pay attention around you.

Jeesh, get off each other's back. I assume you’re both here to read manga so go do just that.
Maybe you haven’t heard of it but why don’t you try to respect each other? OP commented her opinion and didn’t ask you for your opinion (simple fact), you gave it because you were somehow triggered by this ’small every day thing’ (= someone’s opinion, view etc. yes other people can have those too and sometimes they differ from yours, hun), case closed. Not need to make it personal and ‘dick' it out (MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS! unless you do it in the yaoi way because on this site we (mostly) approve of that (๑•ㅂ•)و✧)

Seems like this site is gaining in discussions like this ... (reference to Dark Heaven comment section because damn people are fighting it out there like no tomorrow!)
Basic solution: if you disagree with someone DONT comment on the comment (just keep scrolling! "WOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?" yes you can keep scrolling and not reply, mate! it isn’t a crime and you won’t go to Hell, although your social justice asshole warrior spirit will be crushed but you will spare somebody headaches, sleepless-nights, overthinking and all that negative bullshit that your comment can cause), make your own new comment unrelated to that one if you must with your own opinion.
But all in all JUST GO READ MANGA INSTEAD and give the authors, translators etc the LOVE they deserve!

Kind regards,
social justice asshole peace warrior

Well said, Social justice asshole peace warrior, keep fighting the good fight. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I'm all for a good reasoned debate, where people explain their opinions reasonably and *discuss* their differences respectfully, but there's just no point when it devolves into a childish shitfight (that's why I apologised when I realised I was descending to her/his level). It's a waste of time and energy I could be using to re-read Hydra yet again haha

Eh it's a nickname, who cares? Not like the author wrote it with your personal preference in mind. I personally see no harm in it. My husband calls me baby and I call him princess. I don't feel that it is condescending or demoralizing when he calls me that, and vice versa. I wouldn't answer to it if someone else called me that, and I know he wouldn't. But that is the thing, in a relationship pet names are meant for each other and not for other people.