Interesting

Maltafenien November 22, 2017 9:38 am

If there was a scene in a shojo/josei manga in which the man told the woman that he only used her for sex, no one would be questioning his sexual orientation. We would all (rightly) view him as a manipulative, selfish hetero man and leave it at that.

Yet once it involves two men it's very easy for some of us to allow a question to remain and buy into Yuuya's argument. You know, Yuuya the homophobic, manipulative ass. Why?

Heterosexuality is not the default, y'all.

Responses
    Anon a tree November 22, 2017 2:09 pm

    I buy into it because having sex does not define your sexual preference - that is still up to you. Experimentation is okay. More commonly it is pretending to be hetero - like in the josei scenario, if the guy said he was using the girl for sex but was actually gay, I would believe that he was actually gay.

    Gay, strait or bi, Yuuya is still a manipulative, selfish jerk.

    Maltafenien November 22, 2017 3:46 pm
    I buy into it because having sex does not define your sexual preference - that is still up to you. Experimentation is okay. More commonly it is pretending to be hetero - like in the josei scenario, if the guy... Anon a tree

    Let's not get it twisted--sexual activity does help to define one's sexual preference. One doesn't have to be sexually active to first define it, but one's sexual desire--or its absence--*is* a factor. (It's called *sexual* orientation, hello. Words mean things.)

    This manga has shown no evidence that he's had any sexual or emotional interest in women for us to know that he's "actually straight". There are no scenes of him with women or any relevant internal monologue. There is nothing in the manga to show he was merely "experimenting". In his own words, he and Yura had an active sex life--enough that Yura assumed that they were in a relationship.

    What the manga has shown is that he is homophobic, manipulative, selfish and deceptive--basically what he *says* cannot be trusted. You are right--it *is* more common for a gay person to pretend to be heterosexual than vice versa. So in the face of what we *know* is more common, and the manga at pains to present how into Yura this guy was (and obviously still is), at the drop of hat, you're willing to buy his "I'm really straight, stupid homo" story?

    Oooookay. Yeah. Heterosexuality is not the default, y'all.

    Rena (ノ▀ー▀)✧ November 22, 2017 6:43 pm
    Let's not get it twisted--sexual activity does help to define one's sexual preference. One doesn't have to be sexually active to first define it, but one's sexual desire--or its absence--*is* a factor. (It's ca... Maltafenien

    Sexual orientation simply describes with whom and whether you feel sexual attraction. Not exactly "desire." There's a slight difference in meaning.

    Anyway, I agree with everything else. He's probably a closet case. XD

    Rinsama_ November 22, 2017 6:51 pm

    Your point is we shouldn't set heterosexuality as defaults, right?
    Also, in the manga, he said he's no homo(lol), so I'll probably buy that for now, and since he's so disdainful towards being gay. I'd assume he's homophobic, too.

    Oreides November 22, 2017 10:36 pm

    It''s a bit too far-fetched.
    in such cases, the man is questioned (as a human being), not his sexual orientation.
    Two men, same scenario; no changes. Still the guy with the lousy behavior is questioned as a person, human being, etc.

    Rai November 24, 2017 6:36 am

    I just think that they are both douche bag types that should be *ahem* cut off from their manly part. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

    Anon a tree December 3, 2017 7:16 am

    I'll be honest; a little bit of believing this fictional character is wanting people to accept me when I say I am bi instead of making judgments on if I am strait or gay based on who I am dating.

    Homosexuality is not the default, but sexuality is not a binary. If this guy wants to define strait to include gay sex if you're not looking them in the face, than that is fine with me. He's probably a 1, 1.5 on the Kinsey scale if we go on what he says, because we otherwise don't know much about him. We don't know much about Yuuya because it's not his story. Nobody wants his story because he is an ass.

    He's the type of guy who when meeting his ex after five years a) outs them as being gay b) shames them for not that he saw them only as a booty call, and c) tells them did them from behind because he couldn't cum when looking at their face. He also broke up with the MC by saying the MC was too needy instead of saying honestly that he (Yuuya) was only in it for the sex.

    Regardless of Yuuya's sexuality, he was engaging in gay sex. That at least is something we can agree on.

    Rinsama_ December 4, 2017 3:35 pm
    I'll be honest; a little bit of believing this fictional character is wanting people to accept me when I say I am bi instead of making judgments on if I am strait or gay based on who I am dating. Homosexuality ... Anon a tree

    Yep.

    Maltafenien December 7, 2017 3:41 pm
    I'll be honest; a little bit of believing this fictional character is wanting people to accept me when I say I am bi instead of making judgments on if I am strait or gay based on who I am dating. Homosexuality ... Anon a tree

    "Sexuality is not a binary"

    Never said it was. My argument springs from the central point that Yuuya is an unreliable narrator not that it's impossible to identify as a heterosexual just because one was once involved in a homosexual relationship.

    Beyond that...

    "If this guy wants to define strait to include gay sex if you're not looking them in the face ...."

    is an indication of a problem. Again, I examine Yuuya's action within the context of the story in which Yuuya's relationship with his ex was emotionally abusive *at best*. It wasn't two adults on the same page engaging in fun sex play. Sexuality may be a spectrum but I'm not prepared to accept definitions that rely on whether or not one looks at a partner's face during sex. I don't see how that leads to anything but bi-erasure in a genre already known for the problematic Gay For You trope (popularised by cishet women).