Am I the only one...

So, I made it past the first chapter... barely. It seems as though I'm in the minority in regards to my opinion on this manga. I don't find it "cute" or "sweet" at all. It is little more than homophobia veiled as comedy... THINLY VEILED at that! The father is rash, jealous, petty and an enormous hypocrite. He can stick his dick in another man, but gods forbid his son does the same. Horseshit. The writing is rushed and it felt like the mangaka had never even SEEN a gay couple, let alone talked to any. The whole manga was "heteronormative assumptions about homosexuality" on steroids. Even the "extra's" plot propulsion was lame and contrived. What parents in Japan would react that way to their child being correctly and politely referred to by his family name? It was ludicrous. Using your potential partner's given name in front of their parents is bold, brash and on par with tongue kissing them over the family dinner table. The one redeeming feature of this manga was the art. For that alone, I gave it 2 stars.

Right lol, you seriously need to take a huge chill pill. Also, you obviously didn't get the extra, it was a comedic moment. It's not like the parents were upset at all, it was just funny because it seemed like he was referring to Natsuki's dad. I think you came into the manga with an agenda, and now you're downinh the whole thing. Also, is a massive fluff piece that you're twisting into something ugly. Just no

You're not alone. Although I don't think everything in the story is bad, most of it are. First chapter, they already fought and got together, it felt like I was sideswiped by the sudden change of tune.

And homosexual steroids? Quite accurate, coz after they made up they just had sex right after, whiplashed I tell you. When they were saying I love you's to each other, it felt dry.

This wasn't the best, and although some parts aren't that good either, it's not all bad. xD

I'm sorry that you're confused as to why your opinions don't coincide with mine, but I won't be changing them. I have no agenda when I read any manga, aside from desiring to enjoy it. However, you can't be so oblivious as to assume that the publishers, editors and, to some extent, the mangaka doesn't have their own agenda when they create these works. You are aware that the Japanese government, until just under two decades ago, had certain criteria that had to be met in order to get this type of literature published. This manga was written and published during a time when Japan's government was facing a severe drop in birth and marriage rates and though considered, they could not outright ignore, ban or criminalize homosexuality for fear of breaking down business and diplomatic ties with many liberal countries. However, they also couldn't fully support the LGBT movement as other liberal countries do because there was a fear among conservative traditionalists that "homosexuality would spread" and further decline the birth and marriage rate. The "middle ground" the government came up with was to allow literature and media featuring homosexuality, BUT the literature and media could not overtly condone or support homosexuality. This is why manga and dramas from pre-2000 end sadly, ambiguously or contain elements of the attitude that "homosexuality is troublesome and not worth the hassle/heterosexuality is better". This is most obviously noted in the comedy category of this genre (It's easier to make a homophobic joke than to outright and cruelly call someone a "faggot"). It has only been in the last year or so that Japan has taken the step to allow "domestic partnerships" as legally binding agreements providing rights and benefits to couples who can not marry otherwise. This new step is only available in certain areas of Tokyo. If you live outside those areas, the rights and benefits don't apply to you. Manga make "adult adoption" look like it's as easy as getting your driver's license renewed, but that is far from accurate. It is a costly and lengthy procedure that requires extensive, and often embarrassing, background checks and investigations. So, although it is an option, it is not an easy one to obtain. Japan is nothing like the liberal countries of the west. But then, to some readers, the idea that homosexuals are discriminated against in the country from where their favorite "gay erotica" originates makes little impact. They're not reading yaoi because they give a damn about LGBT issues or the people in those communities, they just want to fetishize, fantasize and forget. I'm not your average yaoi reader. I'm not hetero and I'm not 15. I've been involved in the LGBT community for forty years. I read yaoi because I am more comfortable with the idea of two men as a couple than I am with a male and female. I also enjoy seeing the changes to public opinion and acceptance of the LGBT movement the popularity of this genre has brought about. You can bitch all you want about my opinions, but at least I have built them upon experience, research and facts. Can you say the same about yours? Or do you "feel" rather than think? Personally, I think first, then consider how I feel about something.

It is your misconception that I am, or was, in any way not calm. We read text with our own feelings and attitudes driving our perceptions. Perhaps it is you who needed to remain calm.

I agree that the manga was not all bad. The art was excellent.

Your dismissive attitude isn't worth my time. We're done here.

You made a whole lot of assumptions about me and what I may or may not enjoy and think about homosexuality and yaoi manga in general. It's possible to feel and think simultaneously, and I can do both. I can also separate the intentions from the finished product, and recognize that something that was most likely harmless on part of the mangaka might have an unintended affect on readers. Like, I could be upset for all the hundreds of times virginity or pale white skin or rape or even unhealthy relatipnships are fetishized and revered in manga, but I just keep it moving because the mangaka likely didn't have the bad intentions you would assume they have. You know nothing about my opinions on this matter, and assumed that I just don't care about LGBT issues in the west or in Asian countries, and your opinion of me is based on pure speculation.

I just want to say something about this. I am a writer of stories my self, not popular, but I do love making and writing stories for people to read. And the first thing I learned, even when I was still just an avid reader of books and such, when making a story, it must have a foundation.

Storytellers, authors, writers, directors, mangakas, and all the other artists out there who creates a story on any medium or form, their art always have a deeper meaning and it always have a foundation. The Monalisa was based off a real woman that lived in Florence with her husband. Game of Thrones was inspired by the War of the Roses in the 14th century Europe. Even the sculptures and statues from various mythologies are inspired by how humans saw the world.

So saying that a manga or the people in it doesn't exist is not entirely true because all stories have their own truths. Personally, as a fledgling writer, I don't think the mangaka simply created this story without basing it on his or her own thougts about the stories of a homosexual family/couple.

Dismissing that fact may or may not be taken as insult to the artist because it's like saying that their art are lacking the core of why they were made.

Normally, I am a, "leave it alone, it's just fiction" type of reader. Then, just yesterday, I responded to one of the posted questions they have on here. The question was, "How do you feel about GAY (not Yaoi)?" In the expanded question a pansexual reader asks "How does it make you feel to know more about the gay world than they (homosexuals) do?" The querent is assuming that the predominantly hetero audience of yaoi will "know more about the gay world" than a homosexual because they have read yaoi. I'd like to think that all readers of this genre could differentiate between fantasy/fiction and real life, but sadly, there are those who can't. Rape is a crime in most countries around the world (even if it is not severely punished in some, it's still a crime), but being an idiot who thinks that manga homosexuals = real life homosexuals is not. There are already laws punishing and discouraging rape. There is nothing to discourage young yaoi readers from offending and embarrassing a homosexual person - and themselves - on the streets in real life because they read one too many manga. Go back and read my first original comment, about the phrase "What a waste", if you please. How do you think a homosexual man would feel if some airheaded fujoshi said that to them because she read it in a manga? Or assumed that because he was effeminate, he was a bottom? Or befriended him in order to show off her new "toy" to her fellow fujoshi friends and not because she actually wanted to be friends with him? That last one is a painful personal experience I and a friend had to endure. Are people like that abundant? In general, no. However, in a community where the common thread is fetishizing homosexual male relationships, we tend to have a higher concentration of them.

Young people tend to have low impulse control and have not had enough life experiences to deter them from making a public scene, most adults understand this and forgive them, but they don't necessarily take the time to correct the young person's behaviour or prevent it from happening again in the future. If what I wrote here in my original comment makes even ONE young reader stop and think twice before saying or doing something they'll regret later, I'll do it... every time.

"Because some rancid pussy will not wrap around his dick, because he will not sire more bodies to further exhaust the planet's dwindling resources?"
"They're not reading yaoi because they give a damn about LGBT issues or the people in those communities, they just want to fetishize, fantasize and forget, I'm not your average yaoi reader. not 15. I've been involved in the LGBT community for forty years I read yaoi because I am more comfortable with the idea of two men a couple than I am with a male and female. "
"How do you think a homosexual man would feel if some airheaded fujoshi said that because they read it in a manga? Or assumed that because it was effeminate, he was a bottom? Or befriended him in order to show off her new" I was a friend and I wanted to be friends with him.
Do you really think that exposing this type of fallacious and egocentric arguments puts you in a superior position to that of any other member of this site? Do you think that writing forty lines with a personal and linear interpenetration of ancestral social conflicts is a vision worth following? Do you think that age, sexual orientation and individual experience give you moral power over other people or give your arguments greater validity?
Do you realize that you are the only person in these comments giving power to the phrase "what a waste"? There are immature people and then there are those who believe that they wear a cloak of hero that gives them the power to decide what is right and wrong in the world.

And the mirror reflects right back, doesn't it? LOL

You can be offended by the words that I use all you want, but what you failed to do was argue against the points I made. If I call someone a dirty douche nozzle or I say that they were deceitful, rude and an all around horrible person, the point is the same. I have a foul mouth. Deal with it. And yes, I do believe that a person's age and experiences, good, bad or indifferent, warrant consideration when assessing their opinion's value. I don't decide what is right or wrong for anyone but me. You can go fuck your mother and have a good time of it, if that is what is right for you. It's no skin off my ass. However, when you do things that actually affect my world, your behaviour becomes my business. I don't make it a habit to stick my nose into things that have no affect on my life or form an opinion on situations I have not already had to experience. I'm no hero to anyone and I don't think I ever claimed to be one. You, however, seem to think I am. I am simply someone who has already faced enough discrimination and passive-aggressive, micro-aggression homophobia to know I don't want to go through it again. I have a voice and I'll use it. While I do that, please feel free to go fuck your mother if that is what makes you happy.

You are so full of yourself that you do not even realize how fallacious your opinions are, that is why your arguments lose their validity, in addition to demonstrating the shortcomings of a person who justifies their insults towards what they dislike. As you sit in the comfort of your home to write "roten pussi" there are others who do the same to write "disgusting faggot" in the most diverse contexts and is not that what you want to escape? those little things that affect "your world" as the "waste" of this manga. What do you want to discuss? To the constant unilateral victimization? It would be too much for a place like this. The way you have to reaffirm your specific characteristics to validate your opinions?. How do you discard others for having a different opinion? Because that is what your "arguments" are about. By the way, what a nice way to illustrate the passive-aggressive, excellent taste in truth.

this entire thread is an interesting read. in real life, (at least from where I'm from), women or the general public, almost always say it's a waste when a handsome guy turns out to be homosexual. one of my gay friends think it's almost like a kind of compliment—like a guy is so attractive in a way that him actually going for guys and not girls is something sad for women (since they think they could have had a chance or something w the guy, when they really don't lol)

"He can stick his dick in another man, but gods forbid his son does the same. "

More like he's a father who wants to keep his kid his kid. Its not necessarily about the other kid being male. Its more commonly seen with fathers and daughters. "This is my baby girl and I don't want to give her away!"
At least thats how I see it. If you wanna see it as homophobic then have fun with that.

As for a gay man being beautiful as being "a waste" it is such a meaningless comment now. Its said so often it like asking someone how their day is. People don't really want to know its just what you say. Its a weird throwaway type of comment that means pretty much nothing to most people. Unless of course you say it to someone's face with disdain or the like. But then its not the words its the tone.

rancid pussy

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Imagine going crazy like because of a few words