I remember coming across this thread a while ago, and I didn't know how to respond to this anti-feminist mess of a thread. No solid arguments, just accusations and gas lighting from @Mameiha's end. But this response was really well put. Really gives me hope for this community.
Of all the opposing comments I've received on this thread, I respect yours the most. You were honest and said you hadn't read the story through. Of course, reading comments about sexisism against females and then seeing my very opinionated and expressive comment deriding readers for their opposition to sexism against females would trigger a naturally defensive reaction in any woman. Why would someone say what I said and the way I said it? If you fully read my conversation with @areslevdi, you will gain greater insight into my thoughts and feelings. That is, if you even care. In short, the title of my original comment says it all. The whole point of the scene and even the entire manga was missed by a large number of readers because they couldn't remove themselves from that "defense mode" long enough to see the theme or "moral" to this story. It is a disservice to this mangaka and any others whose stories they read. I haven't bothered to explain myself to anyone else because I feel little or no respect for them or their opinion. I could not say the same for you and felt you deserved a respectful reply and explanation.
Perhaps it is because feminists, today anyway, are two faced desperate attention whores who want to be treated like men and also be coddled like women. Make up your mind. Do you want to be equals or do you want to be a special snowflake that daddy and your hubby coddled and treats like a princess? When you figure it out, get back to me.
Haha, I'm a bi guy that happens to supports gender equity. Love the projection though. Also won't get back to you because you're not worth it :D
General thread: Makes crass remarks about feminism---> gets backlash in kind---> you: *surprised pikachu face*
Grisfox's reply: Treats you like a baby by explaining what your incorrect without sinking down to your level--> you:"wOw sOmEboDy wItH sOmE sEnSe"
Look, I (regretfully) took the time to read what you said. You claim (backpedal) that you support feminism, but that should be set aside because in your words the main character are gay men, so their issues should ONLY be taken up. Thus, feminism should be put aside because the rivial is not the main character (like people can't do both.) You might be spitting out paragraphs but that is literally all you're saying (besides bashing other readers of course).
I won't deny the female character has faults. She felt the need to prove herself as the superior woman in a het relationship by playing a dominate role in her courting the main character. Now if, you actually took issue with that bit of the story and tied it with a radical feminism critique, I MIGHT have seen where you were coming from, but all you're doing is screaming that everyone who doesn't agree with you is basically a triggered femnazi, you're right, everyone's wrong blah, blah, blah---it's no wonder 99% of people in this thread can't take you seriously. Grow up.
This is a manga about homosexual men, right? So, why all the focus on a secondary female character? You're doing exactly what the female senpai did when you do that. The whole point of the exchange between Icchan, Yuzu and the female senpai is that GAY MEN ARE NOT WOMEN and even the most effeminate gay man is STILL a man. Christ on a cracker! Does no one know how to read beyond what is written for them on the page anymore?!
To those who prefer to bitch about unfair treatment of a secondary female character and ignore the unfair treatment of a gay protagonist : You'll jump on the "feminist propaganda" bandwagon, but you ignore the "sexual minority" issue as if it didn't exist. Some LGBT allies you people are! At least it's clear where your loyalties are. I was under the impression that those who read yaoi supported gay men and their rights as human beings, but now I see clearly that people like you don't. You're just here to fetishize them. Thanks for opening my eyes.