Serious question

Mameiha February 3, 2018 8:09 pm

Who in their right mind gives a hairy left testicle if a guy likes sweet things or not?! I am so confuse! You like what you like and the way you look has no bearing on it. "I have brown eyes so I have to like X" and "I have blue eyes so I must like Y". What the fuckety fuck, Chuck? Is this some fucked up metaphor for gender role stereotypes? Because if it is, it blows. It's ludicrous and not remotely relatable or believable. It's as likely for a man to enjoy sweet things as it is for a woman. Worse, by pushing a stereotype that only women and wimps eat sweets and then making the character who likes sweets gay is a slap in the face. It's veiled homophobia. I'm sure the manga will go on to show that stereotypes are stupid and no one really pays attention to them anymore and that is a laudable moral to portray. However, in the attempt to break one stereotype, I think the mangaka and the editors missed an even bigger one that they, themselves, are expressing - ie. Gay = wimpy & feminine. Perhaps I am reading too much into it and perhaps I am overly sensitive to it because of the ubiquitous veiled homophobia and passive-aggressive insults rampant in this genre OR the mangaka and editors involved in this genre don't even realize themselves how homophobic they, and this genre, can be. Yes, this is fiction and it's best left to the realm of fantasy, but when I read posts on this site about yaoi readers who believe they "know more about the 'gay world' than a gay man because of all the yaoi they read", I have to wonder if the right messages are being conveyed to young readers. Subliminally reinforcing homophobic stereotypes to young, impressionable readers will do nothing to abate these false and ludicrous beliefs. It will only exacerbate them.

Responses
    naiarzac February 10, 2018 4:11 pm

    It's actually a very cultural thing. In Japan people who like sweets are seen as feminine so if a guy likes sweets he gains a "less cool" image. This also applies to women who don't like sweets though, they're seen as more masculine and tough and many men find that undesirable. But it's just a stereotype honestly and not everyone thinks that way nowadays.

    Mameiha February 10, 2018 5:18 pm
    It's actually a very cultural thing. In Japan people who like sweets are seen as feminine so if a guy likes sweets he gains a "less cool" image. This also applies to women who don't like sweets though, they're ... naiarzac

    Another serious question... How far into my comment did you read? Did you get to the important part or did you stop at "hairy left testicle"? I covered that this is a stereotype but I went on to express how poorly this stereotype was used to show that a gay man = wimpy and effeminate and that this type of correlation is veiled homophobia. THAT is the important part of my comment. I appreciate your attempts to explain and reassure me, I really do, but you skipped the crux of my comment. Why would you respond to something you only read halfway through? See, the first few sentences are used as bait to get the reader to notice. The words are shocking, expletives and funny in the hope that the reader will want to read further to see what else I will say. Once the bait is taken, the reader is then offered my views on a more serious topic. You were a fish that "stole the bait and ran away". LOL I don't actually care about the "sweets" stereotype. The veiled homophobia is a much bigger issue. What do you think about the veiled and blatant homophobia found in yaoi? Do you notice it? Does it bother you? I'd love to hear your views on the *real* serious question I was asking.

    ari February 10, 2018 6:17 pm
    Another serious question... How far into my comment did you read? Did you get to the important part or did you stop at "hairy left testicle"? I covered that this is a stereotype but I went on to express how po... Mameiha

    You need to chill out lol. The person should have read the entire comment but if you want to keep a reader’s attention, maybe sum it up instead of writing an entire page lmao.

    OR you could make your giant texts into multiple paragraphs which would be easier to read. All your comments feel so squished together.

    Mameiha February 10, 2018 6:36 pm
    You need to chill out lol. The person should have read the entire comment but if you want to keep a reader’s attention, maybe sum it up instead of writing an entire page lmao. OR you could make your giant tex... ari

    I'll do all that you ask when you go fuck your mother. How's that for a deal? Concise and clear enough for you? Simple minded fucktard.

    ari February 10, 2018 7:56 pm
    I'll do all that you ask when you go fuck your mother. How's that for a deal? Concise and clear enough for you? Simple minded fucktard. Mameiha

    I didn’t ask, I was just giving out some advice because it seems like no one’s interested in what you have to say :)

    And it looks like it worked, you didn’t respond with a giant ass book this time! I’m so glad I could help!

    xin March 6, 2018 10:56 am
    I'll do all that you ask when you go fuck your mother. How's that for a deal? Concise and clear enough for you? Simple minded fucktard. Mameiha

    talk abt not knowing better :) you have been a good laugh rlly. thanks for those hilarious and hypocritical comments dear keyboard warrior-san.

    blueberok April 29, 2018 6:51 am
    I didn’t ask, I was just giving out some advice because it seems like no one’s interested in what you have to say :) And it looks like it worked, you didn’t respond with a giant ass book this time! I’m ... ari

    Funny how he says the first person didn't read completely his comment and badly reacts to that, yet when someone actually does read it and give ideas he tells them to fuck their mother...

    So much for trying to be the good guy denouncing homophobia...

    CathyBLover May 6, 2018 12:12 am

    I think the author/editor didn't realize it was kinda homophobic. I didn't either until you pointed it out. I find it believable that guys eating sweets are frowned upon, especially the cool guys, but I put it down to cultural thing much like holding hands in public is embarrassing and disregard the fact even if I can't relate.

    I think the point was intended to be something like "another man respects you as a man even if you like sweets (and values your worth more than SHALLOW women.)" Liking/Judging someone based on their looks is bad and shallow, eating sweets isn't uncool etc. but it's true that now it can also be seen as "eating sweets -> you're kinda feminine -> you're gay" which is the most basic (and stupidest) stereotype.

    agathe July 10, 2018 9:41 am
    I think the author/editor didn't realize it was kinda homophobic. I didn't either until you pointed it out. I find it believable that guys eating sweets are frowned upon, especially the cool guys, but I put it ... CathyBLover

    i thing the MC is a closeted sweet lover. When you eat different to your cultural standard you're being frown upon and it can blow to amazing evil
    Isn't it nice to consider discrimination in those less observed places
    they are so many things that generate bias, including what you eat or what you look like (ikemen or try being a smart blond) and of course being gay.
    and with them bias, as many closet to escape jugement.
    I did not perceive this choice as homophobic either, even more gay characters are just neatly integrated in the narrative and there is no fuss or question about same sex couple being "unnatural" or not "normal", by all the one that brought the subject but rather in a "non remarquable way" which is ideal