Very well said @R0se. The point I wanted to make is the same- "Romanticizing rape is not ok." I've read a lot of comments by Takame too and I know she is very smart and wanted to get into the conversation with her and you. I agree with Takame that the plots in Yaoi hasn't improved over the years, and I think that is why me and Rose keep saying we should speak up and state our strong opinions, in the hope it will change in future. I don't agree with the notion that only the editors and publishing companies are involved in creating literature. I think, readers and translators can have a huge say in how things should go in future. When I said, in my previous comment, "yaois came a long way", what I meant is the evolution of acceptance of yaoi as a from of literature and the type of audience who read them. I'll give one personal example- last June when I was traveling from Sapporo to Tokyo, I bought a yaoi manga from the JR station and the sales person smiled and asked me if the story is interesting. I was taken aback because 5 years ago, if bought the same manga, I'd only have gotten a disapproved look (the best case scenario). Then I came to realize, "hey not only people don't look down on us as much, also the manage are displayed on front isles these days." And not many are trying to hide the fact that they enjoy yaoi either (including in japan). If the number of audience increased and the demography of the audience have changed, why can't the merging managakas put some effort into redefining the content too???? There is another thing called "Desensitization". One you repeatedly see and read the same thing, it eventually becomes a normal occurrence. Don't give too much credit to the human brain and false believe that it can seperate fiction with real life. You don't have to take my word, just read the thousands of articles on neurobiology, neuropsychology, cognitive psychology, media and psychology etc. AND Ι_read_everything!damn-it!- I think you yourself answered why some things should be censored, thought you claim there will be no ending :) Want to add one more thing- It's not only the delusional people who follow what's shown on TV. Mainly kinds and teenagers learn from the media and think it's true. Do people even know how many gay men take reference from yaoi mangas for relationship clues?! As a teenager, I was able to learn a lot about gay sex from the guys around me, but not about the romantic aspect of it. Many guys, including gays like me don't talk about it as much as you'd believe. So the younger ones do believe if you push the uke a bit, he will say yes eventually. It's like many straight men believing when a girl says no, she actually means yes- what a load of crap.
I understand what you mean, but i think it depends according your point of view. Some see romanticing rape because the victim says no and the rapist continues, and others see rough sex because one person is pinned down but seems to enjoy it. Rape or not, reality or finction, i personally....got bored by the same storyline. At some point all new updates were exactly the same. I just need something else; something new, or something old but present it in a different way. Anyway some mangas that i find great/good contain rape scenes like saezuru, hidoku shinaide or gift, etc, but most of the mangas with the meet-rape-love are crap.
One of the tags is "unrequited love". Unrequited love, my ass! What love? This is rape! " It's fiction not real people", thank you Sherlock, I hadn't noted that. e.e
I know it's fiction, the thing is that it is wrong to portray rape like this because even though we know it's fantasy and one of the most terrible things that can happen to a person, maybe there's someone out there who thinks: "oh, this is so cute! I wish that could happen to me" just because the "romance" air and stuff.
"You're overreacting, you're crazy," crazy? You don't know how delusional one person can get after reading only a type of fiction. That's why it's wrong, because people might take it or might want to take it to reality because "it's so cute!" (Whrn it's not) and that's not right.
We're all pervs and whatnot but for me this is different, now it is, after reading a bunch of rape stories and have someone pretty close to me to be a victim of that shit. That shit you call cute and romantic, when the guy rapes someone who's under the influence of alcohol and sleeping. So F off.
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