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People were arguing with me that basically Skyler is evil and deserve to be punished. He selfish ect, ect... I

And, I kept telling them they were missing key moments in the plot. Understanding subtleties takes maturity. They should try going beyond their first impression.

Skylar doesn’t deserve the abuse from his mother. She one of those bitter resentful ass mothers who use their kids as a punching bag because not able to be with the father. The fucking disgust but it doesn’t stop the fact of skylar behavior toward his old childhood friend. He still an asshole and mean

His sad backstory doesn't make up for the way he treated Yeonduk. All these problems between them could've been solved if he'd simply talked to him. Instead he made all these assumptions and ran with them. He was an asshole. Maybe he's a misunderstood asshole, but that doesn't make his actions any less infuriating or any more acceptable. Skyler doesn't deserve to be treated like trash by his mother, but Yeonduk also didn't deserve to be treated like trash by Skyler.

Again, no where above did I or the original comment excuse Skyler's behavior (and nor did I excuse his behavior in my past comments).

So, stop making up opinions about ideas neither one of us expressed!

Try focusing on what we actually said instead.

And if you are still confused, just go back to both of our comments and point out where we stated Skyler gets a free pass on everything he did.

What I stated, was that people aren't either good or bad, no one is one dimensional.

Don't just judge his bad behavior, understand why he behaves that way.

If you only focus on the outcome you will miss the root.

What Skyler did to Yeonduk was, in a sense, a bit worse than what his mom was doing to him, because he was paying Yeondok's kindness with mistreatment while there was no love lost between his mother and himself. He ignored the signs that Yeonduk genuinely cared for him and kept mistreating the one person who kept going out of their way every day to ensure his wellbeing and comfort. I don't see Skyler as being over attentive towards his mother and being paid with mistreatment, not in the way he did to Yeonduk.

Anyway, never mind, I was just thinking out loud. I'm not saying any other opinion is wrong.

Sorry that you felt wrongly attacked. You are correct, I read too much into OP's statements and unknowingly went off on a tangent. I still don't agree with bringing up old thoughts that other readers had in the beginning of the comic and trying to guilt them for having those feelings just to vindicate your own feelings from that time. Anyway, I guess that's the point of a discussion thread anyway but those are my thoughts.

I didn't feel attacked.

Secondly, I never guilted anyone. I only asked them to dig deeper. And that had nothing to do with vindication. It was just me giving great tips, that works in reading fictional works and in real life. In fact, they are so great that I am going to repeat them:

1. Go beyond your first impression.

2. People aren't either good or bad, no one is one dimensional.

3. Don't just judge someone's bad behavior, understand why he or she behaves that way. 

4. If you only focus on the outcome you will miss the root.

P.S. 1-4 improves critical thinking skills!

So, if you feel guilty do some soul searching to figure out why!

And, yes, this is a discussion thread, and I decided to discuss past comments!

Sorry but um why didn't you say the same thing to the person just below the OP, then, as they were making very similar arguments, just in regards to YEONDUK this time, to the ones made here that you felt attacked the OP and you?

See, it is also YOU who are the ones arguing that we are saying things that we never said. We never SAID that Skyler didn't have his own issues to deal with. All we WERE saying is that that is IRRELEVANT. To then argue against that fact IMPLIES that you DO think the root make a difference to the outcome.

Also, it is a tired method of waiting to see what caused an abuser to act the way he does but immediately condemn the victim. So it was REFRESHING to see people condemn the abuser but wait to see why the victim acted the way he did.

But, strangely, some people don't seem to like those kinds of refreshing ideas. Each to their own, I guess.

I responded to your comment, but many of my statements actually pertain to the things that OP has written, especially since your original comment is not very long. In hindsight, I should've probably split my previous comment up into two and made it clearer what I was addressing.

But I still stand by my comments, whether they pertain to you or not. I have no guilt as I've never made any statements about the characters that I regret. As to whether you guilted anyone you tried to talk to in your conversations in the early days of this webcomic, I wouldn't know as I was not there and my comment was not directed towards those old comments but rather your responses in this thread. Everyone in the comments is looking for gratification of some kind. And I do still think that OP and you were looking for approval that your previous comments were correct and that those who disagreed were wrong. But let's leave that at that as we both obvious disagree on that point and neither of us will budge on it.

And thank you for the critical thinking lesson, but it is not something that I needed to relearn.

Your statement is quite interesting, considering the whole Good vs. Evil debacle on human nature has being going around for years...

I do agree with the idea that there isn't whole

In case you need this explained more simply, the OP below is saying that we should immediately condemn the victim, Yeonduk, without considering what happened in his past while you are falsely accusing U.S. of doing the same to the abuser, Skyler, after all.

Sorry, 'attacked'

As for number 3, ironic as I JUST got finished pointing out most people DON'T judge the bad, they condemn the good, just as the OP below and you, seemingly, did since you falsely accused us of misrepresenting your words when that is actually what YOU did to US. AS I said above. Thx.

Sorry but um why didn't you say the same thing to the person just below the OP, then, as they were making very similar arguments, just in regards to YEONDUK this time, to the ones made here that you felt attacked the OP and you? 

No. I didn't. Anonymous. And why you would think that I'd beyond me. Do, do I assume that every "Anonymous: commentioned is you? Does that make sense? Is that logical. I don't know who comment you are talking about but it's not mine and and I not sure what made you pick a random comment out and assume that it's mine.

But, I can find my old comment if needed, and repost them!

Your whole comment started off on the false premise of assuming that a random comment was mine when it wasn't...

Oh, and here is one of my original comments.

Again, I don't know what comment you assumed was mine and why your brain Eben wentry there, but, fine you did, and you were wrong!.


My Old comment:

[Real QuickFebruary 15, 2018 2:17 pm

Before, I was going to explain some more because people are still missing or not understanding some important details, but after this post my life took a negative turn and I had to deal with some serious shit (which I thought I was forever done with)... It's slightly better, and I have free time this morning. So, what the hell...

So, get the plot, don't get the plot, whatever...

But let me point out that his mother is not just deceptive and manipulative (that's a weak assessment and weak wording).

Instead, she is mentally, emotionally, and psychological abusive. And he's been dealing with that all day, everyday since he was a young child. 

Since he was a child, his mother has devalued his self-esteem and self-worth and ruined his mental health. He has trust issues and he fails to make real connection with others that are not money or status related, specifically "his sister's status" related. 

Everything in his life is a psychological game, he does not know who to trust or if he should trust anyone. So, since he was a child, he's been living in survival mode/do whatever is necessary to get by. And that is hard to deal with as a little child, and all of that affects how you grow up and who you grow up to be. 

And no one said this, but I gong to say it anyway: I am not making an excuse for him allowing someone to physical attack someone. He has to take responsibility for that.

Yet, instead of calling people bitches and thinking that that's all that needs to be said, try thinking why someone behaves that way, try internalizing the counterpart's behavior!

But truthfully most of your "analyses" are elementary and shallow. Try going deeper. You will learn a lot from it

And ignore my bad grammar...]



-Exacty/Real Quick

Again, I don't know what comment you assumed was mine and why your brain Eben wentry there, but, fine you did, and you were wrong!.

...my phone's auto-correct is weird...

Your brain went there

Whew. This is a fire storm.
Bringing up past events to induce guilt wasnt what i intented while writing my observation.
It was merely to depict how each of the mangaka's characters have depths waiting to be explored. Not only is our understanding of them superficial but also limited to what the mangaka wants us to "see". So its best to dig a little deeper first before reacting, but eh, wheres the fun in that, id rather see a lively comments section than people holding their tongue. XD But thats what makes the story brilliant cuz if each of the characters would have a POV moment, im certain we'd all feel for them because the mangaka makes them so relatable(by gathering our pity). Reading about the root of their misery and how they deal with it is so captivating that you cant help but think "*enthusiastically* is there more to it? What about this character? Do they have an angsty background too? More plz. "

As i was reading the succeeding comments, i cant help but confirm how some quarrels root from misunderstandings due to quick judgments(and assumptions) about the purpose/meaning of one's inherently innocent opinion. Its like skylar-yeondook all over again, (srsly these two needs a long talk). But yes, Please learn to stop(to control your impulsiveness) and reread. Itll save you and your circle a lotta stress(and unnecessary arguments). ^^
Ill stop now, i sound like a hermit Lmao xD

pigglypoof. What? You and mini_b2013 took their comment way way out of context. Your comments had nothing and I mean nothing to do with what they posted. If you guys stayed on topic with their comments and just had a different opinion from theirs that would be one thing. But you argued against point they did not make. And yes, we all want vindication on here and you pigglypoof want just as bad as Exactly and GoSpark, but learn to take a lose too! Sigh why am I commenting on this thread...?!

Let me try and clear up some things here:

1. Exactly & GoSpark
You are both correct that I read way too much into your original statements and I have already admitted that I was wrong on that front. I obviously need to be more careful when trying to interpret the meaning behind other people's comments. Besides mistakenly thinking that you both supported Skyler's previous behavior, I still stand by most of my comments as they are my true feelings and thoughts about the topics I was discussing. You may exclude them from this thread though as they don't refer to anything either of you have said.

2. Exactly
I have never seen any of your comments besides the ones written in this thread. None of my comments pertain to any comments you've ever made outside of GoSpark's thread. Sorry if that was unclear. One that note, I actually agree with just about everything you've written in the Feb. 15 comment. At the very least, we are in the same school of thought about Skyler's mother and about delving deeper into the mental health aspect of this webcomic.

3. Sara
I've already admitted in a previous post that I misunderstood their original posts as being in defense of Skyler's actions. And I understand that my original comment did not pertain to their original comments. If that wasn't clear before, I hope it is now. I've also never said that I'm somehow above looking for gratification in the comments section. We all enjoy commenting for the affirmation that we are not alone in our thoughts. What I disagree with is bringing up other readers' previous beliefs and throwing it in their faces to make yourself feel that you were "right" in arguments from months ago. I understand that is not what either commenter intended, but that is definitely the feeling I get from their original comments in this thread. Of course this is all based on comments made in THIS thread and only this thread as I've never read or seen any of their comments outside of this thread.