Upvoting. Wow, you said everything as I would have said here and a little more. Nice!(づ￣ ³￣)づ
Sensible comments like these are keeping me sane. Thank you.
Lol, np. Try not to be TOO irritated with the "yay, he said yes" comments, i think they might not realize what that chapter showed. It's easy to go into this thinking it's a fluffy BDSM BL with some drama thrown in, but this latest chapter JUST showed us how much of a bastard Heejae truly is, they're probably still on that initial line of thought and didn't catch the switch. (●'◡'●)ﾉ
Thank you! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Aye... I am just a bit irritable because I went through mental abuse and the fact that people don't know what it is or can't recognise it had real life effects on me... it's also so obvious... This chapter makes it so clear... But hey, you are right, it's no big deal! ^^
That's true. In real life, we see stuff like this we get the hell super duper scared and run like hell in the opposite direction.
But suspect Jisuh is clearly a closet M who's just met an S (and no, I'm not joking. I think they're the closest thing I've ever seen to the real life diagnosis) and he might see things differently...
Honestly!!!! If I could upvote and pin this comment, I would lol. Like I don't get how people can still possibly like that Heejae is developing feelings when he literally used Jisuh's ex as a manipulative power hand. Like are they reading the same webtoon or what lol
Shit, i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, seriously! I mean, i did mean what i said, but i didn't mean for it to be insensitive!
That is true, he IS an M and i wonder if that would affect his judgement, i suppose it's POSSIBLE he might be okay with it. I can and cant see it because while he is an M, in BDSM there is a certain level of trust that makes you okay and able to accept what's happening, what Heejae did breaks trust entirely. Idk... It wasn't a decision made in trust between them, it was a manipulation the seme used on the unawares uke that REALLY scared/shocked him.
No, you didn't, it's the other people who don't get it who are annoying me! Your comment was good!! Relax!! ^^
I am uncomfortable about the way BL like this blurs the line between BDSM and abuse, you will get gentle, loving couples who love hardcore BDSM and you'll have softcore couples who have abuse. But Jisuh isn't consenting to the abuse, nor does he know he's being manipulated abused. The example of him being unable to say no during sex because he wanted affection is clearly a break in consent in BDSM and that is a shift from being an M to being sexually and mentally abused.
And seeing things differently how? Like he's happy that his ex turned up and the pain made him happy... He enjoyed having sex he was not enjoying? Nah, sorry.
And there is no "M" and "S" real life diagnosis.
Hmm... I don't consider that sex scene to be mental and sexual abuse personally because it didn't seem, to me, like the crying was caused by the seme so much as by Jisah's own insecurities and an eventual overload of emotions when he was too confused about what to do to say stop. I don't think it was necessarily the sex that made him want to stop so much as how LONG they'd been having sex. He was tired, but scared that if he broke their usual slave/master routine to say he was tired and wanted to stop that he'd displease Heejae and they'd stop being together altogether. He's in love so that scared him.
"Then I'll reward you with affection" He deliberately slipped that in there so Jisuh wouldn't say no.
That's a flashback, i believe from when they first started their play as he is trying to reassure Jisah before they start. I don't think that that is from this session of sex. I think that was him saying "don't be scared, i'll love on you all you want" because they were about to do BDSM.
It is from this session of sex, but if you read back it was before Jisah was tired and the manner in which he said it was sweet, not manipulative. He was trying to calm Jisah down before they started and during the beginning because Jisah was acting weird about the sex and pulling away. WE know it's because of Jisah's feelings and internal struggle with them, but Heejae didn't know and was trying to console him while hoping that it might actually be because Jisah wants him. He was saying "don't worry about it, we'll have sex and i'll give you all the love you need. No need to overthink it ir be worried".
I can handle his "love is a game" mentality, i can even handle that he went into interacting with Jisah with this mentality, but him calling Jisah's ex to make him vulnerable and swoop in to "save" him is disgusting. I'm not naive enough to think that there aren't a SHIT ton of men who just want sex, hence me understanding him originally just being a playboy and just wanting to mess around with Jisah, but him doing an extensive background search and then calling up a trauma from his past to stalk/scare him into vulnerability is just too much. I can't imagine if, say, a guy called up someone who had raped me and told him to appear in front of me just to leave an impact when he "saved" me... If i found out it'd be over instantly, like, so quick. I'd immediately call someone over or go to a friend's house and tell him to never come near me again. Who cares if he fell in love AFTER all that? If he was willing to go that far BEFORE feelings developed then what is he going to do now? He can't call the police either, he won't be able to prove it, if he even finds out... I want him to find out and leave him. THEN, MAYBE, with some serious regret and actual wooing, MAYBE, it'll be okay if they date. MAYBE. I personally would like to think i wouldn't let the guy back in after that, but love will make you do STUPID things. No, i definitely wouldn't, i was thinking as a reader still, i wouldn't have that top-down perspective that shows me how that guy really feels about me or if he was still manipulating things so we'd stay together. I wouldn't be able to trust him after that. Thinking about it from a 1st person pov, it'd be absolutely retarded if Jisah took him back if he found out and left him... From his perspective, all he'd know is this guy just took manipulation to a disgusting new level and fabricated their relationship before *maybe* falling for him. WE know he loves Jisah because, again, top-down perspective, but JISAH couldn't possibly know and why would he believe him? Throwing this out there too, if Sun-yool knew about this he's just as guilty, no matter how charming he is.