I understand his situation

Keeler12 November 5, 2018 2:32 pm

but that doesn't mean I forgive him for what he did to little DG.

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    youraedthiswrogn November 6, 2018 5:37 pm
    I disagree completely about love being explicit but since you think I'm biased in any way I won't argue any further since it seems rather pointless but just a little sth.I'm pretty sure that the drunk Jiwon was... Fruit

    Oh i actually agree with you there, Jiwon definitely DOES deserve support for his past. I think you're misunderstanding something, when people say they're "not on Jiwon's side", they're SPECIFICALLY talking about the way he's treated DG. They're saying, "no, it isn't DG's fault that he has had to handle this abuse". Remember that example i gave earlier about you not letting me sit within your home? That applies here as well, DG not leaving doesn't make this his fault as the matter of leaving wouldn't have to even be brought up if Jiwon treated him like a human rather than a sex sleeve. They could just be normal sex friends and DG wouldn't have to leave, but he treats DG like shit and that's the only reason he SHOULD leave. To be clear, i'm not saying he should treat him nice, neutral would do, just not how he has been. As far as "Jiwon would've been down for sex with MD", all i can say is that that is just sheer speculation with no backing whatsoever. There is nothing implying Jiwon would be down to have sex with MD, hell, the exact opposite has been shown as Jiwon doesn't really seem to like him much. I'm not sure what makes you think Jiwon hit on him or that MD had to turn him down. Or even if he did hit on MD, i'm not sure what made you think it progressed to Jiwon trying to actually initiate sex. Drunk people do weird things, some sexual, but those sexual actions don't have to lead to sex because everyone around them understands that they're drunk.

    Fruit November 6, 2018 6:22 pm
    Oh i actually agree with you there, Jiwon definitely DOES deserve support for his past. I think you're misunderstanding something, when people say they're "not on Jiwon's side", they're SPECIFICALLY talking abo... youraedthiswrogn

    MD did tell DG that Jiwon was rather affectionate when he got drunk and he was all over him and sweet talked him.And everything was really embarrassing.
    Jiwon seemed rather disappointed when he thought that he is not MD's type and refused to talk any further with DG about it.

    Also DG knew Jiwon was wasted and totally not himself.He shouldshouldn't had sex with him then.I'm not sure if that was completely consensual but DG definitely took advantage of Jiwon's drunken state and enjoyed himself some "affectionate" sex but I didn't see any affection.Only a drunk person having sex over and over again until he passed out...
    In fact I think they might just be even on the "rape" thing...

    youraedthiswrogn November 7, 2018 12:25 am
    MD did tell DG that Jiwon was rather affectionate when he got drunk and he was all over him and sweet talked him.And everything was really embarrassing.Jiwon seemed rather disappointed when he thought that he i... Fruit

    Jiwon seems to be a flirty drunk, but why are you bringing this up? If you're trying to argue that Jiwon might have romantic feelings for MD, i don't think you'll find anyone who agrees with that particular theory as, as i pointed out earlier, Jiwon seems to dislike MD. Are you saying he doesn't dislike MD? He pretty explicitly does. As far as "DG shouldn't have had sex with him", Jiwon initiated it and DG got swept away. As far as whether or not the sex was affectionate or not, you're reading a yaoi... They're the two MCs and the seme is having sex with him out of jealousy... Maybe you didn't FEEL the affection, but that's clearly what the author was trying to portray. The story so far is that DG is slowly melting Jiwon's walls, you're supposed to take any small change in behavior as progress since he starts out as a walking fortress. You can say "that's just an interpretation", but that isn't an argument, everything is an interpretation and there is such a thing as likelihood of being the correct interpretation. As this is a romance bl about Jiwon and DG, it's safe to read those small moments that you perceive as nothing special as progress. I see you using the argument "that's just how you're interpreting it" a lot, so i wanted to go ahead and say this: anyone can argue anything is anything, but that doesn't change the fact that there is context around what the two of us are looking at and interpreting. This is a bl about Jiwon and DG, you're supposed to look at things through this lense, but you're throwing out random possibilities that aren't supported by the context or any of the dialogue to argue against the more clearly implied interpretation. I'll give an example: Look at our conversation. There is no reason to assume we aren't blood related, yes? So a possible interpretation of our conversation is "two brothers having a talk about the manga". The thing is, there is nothing either of us has said that implies we're related to each other. The more clearly implied interpretation here is that we're two strangers talking. You're the guy thinking we're related.

    Fruit November 7, 2018 12:13 pm
    Jiwon seems to be a flirty drunk, but why are you bringing this up? If you're trying to argue that Jiwon might have romantic feelings for MD, i don't think you'll find anyone who agrees with that particular the... youraedthiswrogn

    Lol OK but even if Jiwon "clearly dislikes" MD he sure treats him better than DG or at least in a similar way?
    But anyways I didn't say Jiwon likes MD just that it's possible that he might be sexually attracted to him since he clearly finds him handsome and yes I assume that if MD hadn't stopped him Jiwon would have had sex with him.
    Thats the difference DG has sex with a drunk person who is not responsible for his actions while MD didn't.Also DG took a intoxicated persons behavior for real...
    DG clearly took advantage of Jiwons drunken state.
    The next morning Jiwon felt kinda regretful and DG was embarrassed.