So I'm not up to date...

DreamChaser November 9, 2018 1:54 pm

But just browsing the comments, is there a particular reason why people don't think Nayeon and Dohye can BOTH be with Noah in the present? Nayeon and Noah love each other, but it's been clear for some time that their relationship is open and that they want whatever makes the other person happy. Polyamory isn't hard for me to imagine.

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    Sappho November 9, 2018 2:35 pm

    Well, I respect open relationships. However, I don’t think Nayeon is right for Noah. He’s being horribly abused, and Nayeon could not care less. He tells her sex is filthy and that he is dirty, but this does not make her question herself. She continues to sleep with him, even though she knows he thinks these things about himself. Throughout the story, Nayeon is so selfish: her main concern is her own (sexual) needs, and Noah comes secondary. She has in no way tried to help him, and furthermore, right after he’s been abused, Nayeon often notices something is wrong, but she still continues doing sexual things with him. It’s uncomfortable and wrong. That’s NOT have you deal with someone who is being abused.

    Also, we need to think about what type of person Noah said he could love forever: “Someone who only have eyes for him and will always be by his side.” Does that seem like Nayeon and Noah’s relationship to you? I honestly think the only reason he is with her is because she looks like his mother, or because the mangaka has spent so much time setting them up, she doesn’t have a choice but to have them be together, despite the fact that their relationship is inferior to Dohye and Noah’s relationship.

    Why do I think this? It’s not because I like gay romance, but rather because Dohye and Noah actually had a lot of chemistry and cared about each other. Nayeon and Noah had no proper buildup, except sex, while Dohye and Noah spent time together and got to know each other. Their relationship was not based purely on sexual desires. Furthermore, Dohye was patient and kind with Noah, comforted him and supported him—things I think Nayeon never did, at least not properly. Dohye even said he wanted to marry Noah, and before their fallout, Dohye was prepared to love Noah his whole life.

    No matter how I think about it, I don’t feel like Nayeon deserves Noah. If Dohye and Nayeon’s roles had been reversed, and Dohye found out Noah was abused, he would have been way more considerate and kind than Nayeon ever was, evidenced by how he acted in the side stories (and in them he didn’t even know Noah was abused). I think Dohye would make Noah truly happy, but of course, since the mangaka has invested so much in Nayeon, I think she and Noah will be together (despite the fact that Dohye and Noah had better relationship development). Despite the fact that Nayeon and Noah doesn’t really make any sense, since they barely know each other except in a sexual context.

    aquashine November 9, 2018 2:45 pm
    Well, I respect open relationships. However, I don’t think Nayeon is right for Noah. He’s being horribly abused, and Nayeon could not care less. He tells her sex is filthy and that he is dirty, but this doe... Sappho

    I agree with you wholeheartedly (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

    Fruit November 9, 2018 4:52 pm

    Oh that sign of times with people wanting to normalize everything just because...
    I don't think a polygamous relationship can work out in general even more so with mentally unhealthy and broken people like Noah mostly but Nayeon too.
    She is a nymphomaniac who doesn't love Noah and Noah doesn't love her either.
    And honestly after all Noah has been threw he only needs one person in my opinion or just to be single for a while and figure things out and heal before he can be in an actual relationshiprelationship...

    himehime November 9, 2018 8:09 pm
    Well, I respect open relationships. However, I don’t think Nayeon is right for Noah. He’s being horribly abused, and Nayeon could not care less. He tells her sex is filthy and that he is dirty, but this doe... Sappho

    I totally agree with thisss. You are so cool summing it up~

    It's not about being gay or not, but Dohye totally gives all his care to Noah (*•ᴗ•*)و

    maychan November 9, 2018 8:50 pm
    Well, I respect open relationships. However, I don’t think Nayeon is right for Noah. He’s being horribly abused, and Nayeon could not care less. He tells her sex is filthy and that he is dirty, but this doe... Sappho

    damn you said it better then I ever could!!! I fully agree with you!! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

    DreamChaser November 10, 2018 2:19 am
    Well, I respect open relationships. However, I don’t think Nayeon is right for Noah. He’s being horribly abused, and Nayeon could not care less. He tells her sex is filthy and that he is dirty, but this doe... Sappho

    I don't think Noah *wants* Nayeon to get too involved with his past—she's offered to talk about it with him a few times, like in Chapter 36, and he always said he didn't want to. That's around the same time they had the conversation about Noah being "dirty," where she responded by hugging him and saying she didn't care what kinds of "dirty" things he's done in the past.

    When Dohye tries to tell Nayeon about Noah's abuse for the first time in Chapter 46, she angrily tells him that he shouldn't reveal something like that without Noah's consent, then says she's not going to pry into Noah's past because she "just wants to give him one place where he feels safe." I don't know if that's the RIGHT choice, but I don't think it's selfish either. She's giving him a place where he *doesn't* have to talk or think about all the bad shit that's happening to him.

    I feel like the people who get upset that Nayeon and Noah have a lot of sex are ignoring the fact that Noah chooses that for himself. He instigates things just as often as her. It's kind of like saying he's not allowed sexual agency because he's been abused? Victims respond to abuse in all sorts of ways; Noah has sex with people he cares about to make himself feel less dirty. That's his way of coping.

    (All that being said, while I support the relationship between Noah and Nayeon, I do wish Nayeon had more of a personality. It's refreshing that she openly enjoys sex and is relatively assertive, but she doesn't seem to have any hobbies, interests, or friends outside of Pea-Puff. Please, author, give her something to think about besides sex and Noah.)

    maychan November 10, 2018 11:24 pm
    I don't think Noah *wants* Nayeon to get too involved with his past—she's offered to talk about it with him a few times, like in Chapter 36, and he always said he didn't want to. That's around the same time t... DreamChaser

    you choose to see it that way, and I see it has "she dosn't really care about who he is or his past for that matter" like if you with someone you trully love and care about, yeas you would care about their past.

    you know what I get upset with? I get upset they were "going out" and they never show they care about each other or had any chemistry or better yet they both don't really care the other will cheat on the other cause AGAIN they don't care enough or feel they want to be only with each other. yeas it is annoying and don't really show me they really care who they have sex with.
    they feel a lot more like SEX FRIENDS. now I don't hate or aganist having a sex friend, but at least they should admit that and not pretend like they have something "romantic" they don't have.

    DreamChaser November 13, 2018 10:24 am
    you choose to see it that way, and I see it has "she dosn't really care about who he is or his past for that matter" like if you with someone you trully love and care about, yeas you would care about their past... maychan

    Yeah, Nayeon says quite openly she doesn't mind who's having sex with who, as long as she knows she's still important to Noah and he's still important to her. Neither of them ever bothers to hide that they're still sleeping with other people, they just...snuggle and talk it out and say it's fine as long as it's what the other person wants.

    Noah's had sex forced on him all his life and generally it's a negative experience he has to dissociate from. Meanwhile, Nayeon's an exhibitionist who goes to sex clubs for kicks. It makes sense that neither of them sees sex as some inherently meaningful, romantic act. To be honest, I'm so sick of angst, cheating and jealousy in other stories that it's nice for me to see two characters who just...don't care, and don't let it affect their relationship.

    You don't have to want your partner to be monogamous to love them, or vice versa. That's exactly what an open relationship is. (Or a polyamorous one, for that matter, which was the point of my post in the first place...) I don't think romance equals sexual monogamy, so I actually relate somewhat to certain aspects of Nayeon and Noah's relationship. But I can easily see why people who do think that, or at least strongly prefer monogamy themselves, don't like this webtoon much.

    maychan November 13, 2018 12:15 pm
    Yeah, Nayeon says quite openly she doesn't mind who's having sex with who, as long as she knows she's still important to Noah and he's still important to her. Neither of them ever bothers to hide that they're s... DreamChaser

    then I"m not beliveing in monogamous without jealousy! there is no way you love someone and won't get jealous when he have sex with someone else! you can watch couple's that talk about monogamous that admit THEY DO GET JEALOUS! so yeas it is bullshit. and show they don't love each other, they friends. not more then that.

    has for open relationship , again it's called "sex friends" look it up. and they don't have to be in romantic relationship like this bullshit story try to shove into this!

    DreamChaser November 15, 2018 6:45 am
    then I"m not beliveing in monogamous without jealousy! there is no way you love someone and won't get jealous when he have sex with someone else! you can watch couple's that talk about monogamous that admit T... maychan

    I've known people in happy open relationships. It's not the same thing as sex friends, whatever people might think. And I'm going to leave it at that.