Yeah, I do think it would have been nice had Mano tried bottoming and still gotten a nose bleed then as well. It would have shown that they are both fine with either position, as long as they are together. Plus, as you stated, gay couples in real life don't tend to be rigid like that.
I though the same as both of you!
Super cute story and couple, I loved them, but stereotypes and heteronormative sure is repetitive in yaoi
If your really tired of the uke/seme stereotypes you should totally read Neko x Neko ! I just read it the othe day and it was so good. Basically after 3 years of dating the uke wants to try topping and while the Seme isnt up to it at first he gives bottoming a try for the MC. It really is well written, it deals with the physical stress of bottoming, the place in the relationship etc.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/neko_x_neko/
How about we don't pressure people to do things they're not comfortable with, cool? It's disgusting to suggest people should go out of their comfort-zone with sex when they don't want to, just because "they haven't tried". Cool it with the rapey attitude dude.
& how about we don't empower hets by letting them decide the narrative that we're not allowed to have preferences, just because they've abused it? This is a nicely written, perfectly avarage gay couple. They're not enforcing anything heteronormative, not every gay couple wants to switch. Am i misogynistic now because I'm a gay man that don't want to bottom? Anal isn't a walk on fucking roses, you know. Plenty of guys want nothing to do with having theirs messed with. Sounds real homophobic to me that we aren't allowed to have preferences, because that's literally the only thing this couple did that would have been stereotypical IF she had altered their personality/looks to go with it.
(I'm laughing at the first reply. Do you spend like, any time in our community??? Go on grindr to chat up some guys if you don't have access to gay rl spots and my dude your reality is about to change)
lots of ppl don't have to try things out to know what they like/dislike, so no...
It funny that you say that because even if a person doesn’t want to be a top/bottom/ vers whatever your argument falls flat because not every single gay man out there is having penetrative sex. That’s the beauty of sex straight, gay,lesbian, trans etc. reducing the conversation to hey he doesn’t want to bottom so let’s make his partner do it because whatever reason ( fear, hemroids, pain, internalized homophobia) it doesn’t matter the excuse. As someone who is characterized as a virgin it’s ridiculous to go the route of hey I don’t want something in my butt I have to fuck you insead to lose my virginity. You “lose” your virginity once you have sex of any sort ( oral, handjob, dry humping) this annoying basis of having to fuck something to claim ownership of one’s virginity is a societal conditioning so don’t come on here with some bullshit excuse of why this manga is an accurate enough representation of gay men. He can get a handjob for all I care and he’s now lost his virginity. I never said he has to force himself to bottom but he’s expecting his otherwise straight/ or bi partner to accommodate his expectations. That’s my point. You see theirs an issue of with you toping you make changes and compromise not dismiss any alternative when you don’t even have the experience to make such a call and understanding of whether your partner similarly can’t bottom for whatever reason as well. Plus Grindr is a hookup app fair enough but not everyone is fucking using Grindr as some playground reduced to queer men as all just set to sexual roles and finding a compatible sex partner. This is because of the members who use may use it for that intention but it was not the intention of the app’s creators or all users. ffs their’s options to just be looking for friends or dates not the fuck in your car because neither of you can host an impromptu hookup session granted from what I know of the app they’ve shot themselves in the foot with the introduction of tribes and such categories reinforcing tired stereotypes of sex and physical expectations.
I want to thumb you up but there is no option to do so lol
You do realize that NO ONE in this conversation said ANYTHING about forcing someone (fictional OR real) to do something they were not comfortable with or did not want to do. All we DID say was that we sometimes want more out of our fictional stories than the same old tropes and tripes of worlds where, more often than not, couples are one thing or another. Basically wished the story had not followed the usual oh so clear cut boundaries that so many yaoi manga do, and that it would have been nice (had the author been so inclined to do so) if the manga had given us a couple that did not define themselves solely as uke/seme, truly exploring a different idea than is (as stated before) usually shown in most yaoi. This story had that potential, and had the author OF THIS FICTIONAL STORY had decided that the seme DID decide to give bottoming a try for himself, he would NOT have been doing so against his will. Because that is NOT the type of couple the author made them.
"you make changes and compromise not dismiss any alternative when you don’t even have the experience to make such a call" Duuuuude what did I say about the rapey attitude? Besides, Mano did at no point say he didn't want to have sex or didn't want to bottom, so you're making stuff up now.
So, your entire argument is based on the definition of sex? In this case, the Japanese definition of sex (this is a gay couple in Japan after all). I would love to see a source on this actually! Hit me up with that link (don't worry if it's in japanese!)
I'm just gonna have to assume you're a gay man yourself since you're trying to educate me on gay sex. But you see, in my country, the official definition of sex is when a man penetrates a woman. That's a bit hard, so we have to make our own definitions. For some, sex is any sexual act as you've described, and for some both have to come for it to be sex. And for some, you have to penetrate. As we can't rely on the official definition, it's up to each person what they view as sex. I've known plenty guys who saw themselves as virgins until they had anal, likewise I've known guys who didn't consider themselves virgins after handjobs. I'd love to be educated on how it works in Japan though, as I don't have a clue there.
Wow, that grindr comment really flew right past you, huh...
"Aoba straight up refused and complained at the idea of Mano topping even though Aoba was a virgin and thus wouldn't even know whether he's prefer a sexual position"
" You see theirs an issue of with you toping you make changes and compromise not dismiss any alternative when you don’t even have the experience to make such a call"
Yeahhhhhh I hear you bud, this basically reads "Anyone has every right to turn down anything in sex regardless of experience/any reason". Reads as smooth as butter, don't it?
Again, FICTIONAL STORY, where we are talking about how it would have been nice had the characters BEEN REWRITTEN so that THAT WAS NOT their view. That means that THAT CONVERSATION would NOT have taken place. Geez dude.
Gosh, I must've quoted in my dreams, my bad.
it was kind of annoying when there was the suggestion made that he bottom instead to prevent the nose bleeds, Aoba straight up refused and complained at the idea of Mano topping even though Aoba was a virgin and thus wouldn't even know whether he's prefer a sexual position. Really getting annoyed with this rigid placement of uke/seme it's so annoying and inherently misogynistic, taking a receptive role in sex is no demeaning ffs.