Gee, thanks for ruining the manga for me. (╬￣皿￣)凸
Ignore it. Just another prepubescent kid with zero experience.
I completely agree with you! This manga is shallow and feels really wrong. I've read too many yaoi just like that with a detestable seme and an overall heteronormative plot. This is just boring, outdated and thankfully very forgettable.
Yeah, he's using the person who likes him as a sex tool now. The uke is happy with this which is not a new thing, because most yaoi are always about sexual feelings anyway. "I love you if I can get hard for you."
So someone asks to suck a dick and they’re the one being “used”. Omg! All those times I initiated sucking a guy I was being used! I did not realize I was actually a victim!
I do wonder why people so intimidated, and threatened by males read yaoi?
Lol the seme was the one who asked him to do it. So your argument/situation whatever can be thrown out of the window.
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I wanted to say something about the seme being the initiator too. Glad I saw you already did
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I don't think it's that bad, really. I'm not downsizing what seme is doing, but what I could see he is questioning his sexuality (not a motive, I just get it). It's not like he coarsed the uke to do it, he asked and the uke went for it. I was thinking while reading that at least it's not something forced as we usually see in yaoi. I kinda like how the relationship is the two of them discovering feelings for each other and what it really means a same sex relationship, even on the sexual size. neither one of them has had any experience with men. Both seen willing to it. Also, some people tend to weight the sexual side when falling for someone. I mean, I can understand the both of them and can't see what's so wrong with two teenagers uncovering their feelings for each other.
You're right about the fact that seme didn't try to learn anything about the uke. At a time that both of them are confused like this they should just sit down and talk because the uke barely has any experience and he might (and already) misunderstand things
I don't disagree with you on the idea that a lot of yaois simplify romance to the point of "I'm hard- I love you- I'm gay now", but I doubt that most people reading yaoi give a shit about how realistic stuff is
However that blow job was totally consensual. I get that you could see it as the seme taking advantage of the uke's feelings, but nothing was forced. At the end of the day, the uke is responible for his part, and it was his choice to be a "sex tool" for the seme. Honestly this mindset just degrades his ability to make his own choices, good or bad.
I think you said it best.
Personally, I don't think the seme's personality is horrible -haven't seen anything to make me agree with that. The uke might have fantasized a bit here n there, maybe, but for your crush to actually touch you and "want" you....that's something of dreams usually. There was no force so far -TRUE. When there were plenty of times it could've been used. The curiosity of the seme isn't horrible either. Part of dating or getting to know someone before or while 'hooking up', is the curiosity. Sexual and otherwise. If you don't explore to see if there's a good vibe through hanging out, conversation, intimacy, or similar interests....then how will you connect?
Glad it didn't start out with a straight "Let's F-ck!" vibe, AND like you said, NEITHER guy has/had experience in a same sex relationship at all before. So, relatively fair.
**I'm sticking it out, but I'd like to know more about the seme's supposed controlling or just background context about his ex and their fallout, and the uke's infatuation first sparking.**
Uke as you see, thinks sexual acts as 'reciprocation' of love, and he consented based from this. So I wanna ask you something. For someone who has the wrong concept of love - thinking sex equals to love and agrees to it, do you think it is still valid? I don't mind whatever your answer is, just give me a reason.
Yes, I still think that it is valid. When it comes to sex, all that ultimately matters is whether or not the two partners consent to it. Obviously it can be very damaging if someone goes into a sexual act/relationship having the wrong mindset, and I do understand how hurtful it can be to learn the hard way that sex doesn't equal love. But at the end of the day, it was the uke's choice to do it, and the seme didn't pressure him to make that choice. If the seme had pressured the uke or forced him, then it would be rape, but in this current situation that wasn't the case.
So ultimately yes, it still is valid. The uke was clearly sober, so he had the presence of mind to consent, so it is ok, no matter what feelings he may have
Whoa, your answer is good. But it kind of bother me when you said ' it doesn't matter what feelings he has as long as he consented to it'.
Does it ever occur to you that consent can be manipulated? Just because someone said it is, it doesn't always mean that it is. There's this thing called undue influence, coercion, intimidation and etc. A contract can't be considered valid if these elements exist.
But back to this manga, I think it is still funny to say it's consented — Yaoi always make fun of consent. Sometimes, mocking. But I don't have enough proof to say that the seme is using uke as his sexual relief to cope with stress, even when he looks like the type to resort to that kind of activity when he has problem he can't deal with. Anyway, I think we can agree to disagree. There's no point in furthering this argument. It won't change our mind.
All of this. Also think of it this way. Imagine a young boy or girl who’s dating an older lover and has absolutely no concept of sex and love. Their partner suggests becoming more physicaly intimate despite their partner having no awareness of what they actually mean. Such that when their partner and them have sex the younger believes partaking in sex is a representation of their love more so than just a physical act OR maybe still actual loving making. Then their partner breaks up with them promptly or maybe the young girl becomes pregnant because she is ignorant of the mechanics of sex and their partner leaves because it’s no longer “fun”. We see and hear of these stories often and we are warned about it being a form of emotional manipulation and peer pressure, this is really coercion. Now should we blame our young lover for their ignorance and chalk it up as a learning experience as some have so heartlessly said or a clear case of them being taking advantage of because after all they are still a child with childish expectations of love. This is literally what we have here in this story. A boy who has a crush on another more experienced straight boy who likely has already or regularly learned the difference of sex and love but wants to test the willingness of their partner by asking for demonstrations of love that he deems worthy of piquing his interest. Replace this with a young girl and her very older experienced boyfriend and I’m sure many would easily say the boyfriend is in the wrong and should be avoided.what difference is it if two boys are involved then. Why the double standard?
Honestly have no idea how sempai is liked. He has such a horrible personality and treats the guy as a new toy he’s found interest in simply out of curiosity. That blowjob scene really highlighted that, you know how he feels about yet you push him into a sexual position he has no experience with just see if you can get off with a guy and know he’s willing to seek your validation and approval. You haven’t even once tried to get “know him” you’ve just tolerated his presence and indulge in exploiting his feelings when you feel it’s convenient. God the poor kid doesn’t know any better too and this will be panned off as “romantic”. I don’t care if you’re originally straight playing with someone’s feeling no mater the sexuality is wrong.