I like her. She's just trying to keep her guard up because she doesn't want to trust anyone and end up like she did in her previous relationship
Yeah, sure, I get that, but you can do that without being so rude. Being ice cold is also a good way to keep a distance and sometimes even the right amount of politeness do the trick ╮(￣▽￣)╭
No, no, no. If someone invites themselves into your life while you're showing "no" signs then you shoud be as clear as possible. The fact that she didn't tell the guy to gtfo, is pretty nice within it's self. How would you feel if someone with power showed up at your place of work, but not to just perform their job but just for the sake of being there. Let's be honest, sure he might have questioned her but he should have went in, made his intentions clear and got out. No telling her that he will be back unless he adds that it's for buisness reasons.
A captain of knights is suspecting her of being the one responsible for those plants on the floor. You can't expect him to be all nice and polite about it. He wants answers, he wants her confession. So I'm not surprised about him being a pain in the ass and I'm not surprised about her being angry and rude, that's fair.
But what I disliked more was her attitude to the noble girl she helped. Yeah, I know, MC kinda panicked and that noble girl just invited herself into MC's life or whatever. Still I think MC didn't have to be such a prick to her, especially if the noble girl knows her secret. If someone know something about you you need to keep secret at all costs you won't sent them to hell, what MC basically did.
I will wait how MC will turn out, but for now I still think she's arrogant and rude and I don't like it. And to be honest, I don't mind as much her being rude as her being arrogant...
You just described literally every male lead in a shoujo manga/webtoon
Indeed, which is why I did outright say that he shouldn't have come. Instead, he should have been professional. Until she has been proven guilty, he is meant to be professional. It is his job. He should only be allowed to be rude if she refuses to cooperate. However, despite being rude she still let him into the house and offered him tea and sat down with him. Plus it's not like the guy just came in to do his job, he was pretty flirty by backinthe day standards and off-topic.
As for the girls, as you said, the girls invited herself over into her life. Sure, coming to thank her would be ok but even letting her know that she knew is shady espcially since she almost blutered it out in public and honestly, I hope that girl is just an innocent airhead because otherwise, it would seem like a setup. How did she even know where MC lives? Plus couldn't she have written a thank you letter or send out some invitation to her instead of showing up at her place of work? How did MC send the girl to hell?
The one thing that I really like about the main character is that she doesn't just go along with things like a basic mary sue. Instead, she is trying to make her own choices. The meetings in the last two chapters were basically just forced onto her. Overall, even since the earlier chapters she has been a strong calculating person.
However, I will agree with you that she shouldn't have dragged the girl into the house and slammed her to the wall. I get why she didn't, she obviously panicked but that part was indeed rude. But other than that, I don't see any other part of rude.
I can see how she is rude in some ways, but I don't see the arrogant thing like at all? What are you basing that on? I have been trying to figure out why you think this part but I couldn't find anything because she doesn't think that she is better/more important than others. She is just weary of people. So I don't get how she is arrogant. I can see the other point although I don't agree with it fully but this one... even if I try I can't find anything so idk am I missing something?
How professional you mean? I don't think he wasn't professional. He thought she was "guilty" and came to confront her. By the lack of witnesses he couldn't even determine if she was innocent or not without talking to her. And when you interrogate someone you don't exactly follow the mannerisms, do you.
As for Wendy being arrogant, her behaviour most if the time might be at fault. She doesn't have to explicitly say "I'm better than you, now scram" to strike me as arrogant. Like you think that captain was flirty. He didn't seem flirty to me at all. It's a matter of perspective. And I admit, it might be too early to say if Wendy is arrogant and captain flirty. For now, it's my perception of her and it may change.
But I agree with you that the saved noble is an airhead. She doesn't seem bad or calculating, just sort of naive, like a child that doesn't think the things through...
Professional. Knowck on the door, introduce yourself, let her know that you're here to question her regarding the matter. Don't just come in and talk about the tea.
I still don't get the arrogant thing. I mean like when you see someone as arrogant you should be able to point out things that make them seem arrogant otherwise there just isn't a reason to think so. You said that it's her behavior, can you go in a bit more details?? Which things did she do thank make her seem arrogant and how were they arrogant?
It's not flirting by nowadays standards but back in the day a man coming into the house of an unmarried woman, complimenting her cooking/cleaning skills would be considered flirting. What is the reason behind that? Well, it was considered the womans duty and those are qualities a man would look for in a woman. So basically poting out such things, while subtle, does have its flirty connotation. Even back before, we can see her refusing a ride back from the soldier because she is "unmarried." Sure it was an excuse, but nevertheless even such a little thing would carry meaning to them that it wouldn't to us
Was he flirty by current standards? No. Society has changed. But back in the way, things were a lot different and we need to consider that instead of pushing our current standards onto that. The story is intended for a modern audience but the author still is using hints relating to the context. It's basically hinting at a future romance. It's either that or am just reading into things too much.
I have mixed feelings about the noble girl. In a way, I do think you're right as she seems innocent to me too but at the same time the whole thing is just shady to me.
I think he came into her shop, not a home, so I don't see a point in knocking. It may have been an interrogation, but didn't have to be an official interrogation, so he didn't have to be overly polite. And who knows, maybe that's how he do his job, trying to catch people unprepared. Maybe he wasn't even trying to be professional. And maybe by their standards he was. Though I don't want to dissect his character and possibilities, I care too little about him for now ( n.n")
You have a lot if examples of manners of the past and how society was; I'm not well versed in that because the only source I can't relate to are historic romances (￣∇￣") however I gave a feeling as if you're using past society standards only partly. It feels to me like you're applying it for captain, but not much for women... But if I'm wrong, I apologize.
Sometimes you can't put a finger on things, it's just a gut feeling. I can't pinpoint exact scene and say "there, this is why she is arrogant". She just have this aura to me. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that's my feeling. I dont know, maybe I'm just bias, that happens. And judgement can always be rectified...
And, well, we might be surprised by that noble girl. I wouldn't be surprised if she turns out to be evil or something, giving all the mangas and manhwas I've read so far. But for now she just seems airheaded...
It doesn't matter that it's a shop, it's even worse because it's her place of work. You don't intermediate someone at their place of work... but I do agree with what you said about how maybe this was the norm back then. But at the same time, why is he (a person of great importance) even investigating this? Why not send someone that works for him? She wasn't even the criminal. Like I get that the green plan appeared out of nowhere but honestly other than her confessing, he won't be able to prove that. Overall I don't even know why he is investigating this. Tbh, I feel like the author is just forcing the whole situation. I don't really care for the guy either, I actually dislike him at this point.
I know a bit about this stuff because I studied it. Right now I'm studying modern society but learn some context, my family and the country I was born in is a little behind on some of thing stuff and has that type of a mindset, I sometimes binge documentaries and the rest of my knowledge is from mangas just like you mentioned so honestly' I don't think we are that different in terms of knowledge.
In a way, you do have a point in paragraph 2. The way the story deals with historical context is just... odd. Like some parts of it are really old fashioned, back in the day type of stuff but at the same time, some of it modern which is where your point comes in. I don't really fully know to what extent we can apply context in the story because honestly, I can't even tell what time period it is... For the MC, in most previous society she wouldn't be able to own her business and would be the property of her father/husband but this mainly applies to the upper class. I think she is pretending to be an average person and since there really wouldn't be much for a peasant to inherit/ much power to be gained through marriage I'm assuming that this would be ok? But honestly, there are plenty of things that are unclear in the story so yeah, like you said I may be forgetting to use context in some places. I don't even truly know if this is meant to be a specific time period/ out world because of the magic fairy thing. Their customs seem similar to the ones we had in the past so I'm just assuming that it's meant to be set in the past.
Oh so this is kinda a point linking to both p1 and p2 (p=paragraph) but maybe he thinks she is a witch or something like that and is investigating to expose her? I'm 100% just guessing because honestly, things are just so unclear at the moment.
Hmmm, let's agree to disagree on the arrogance thing? Maybe you're biased or maybe I am just missing out/not noticing something. Who knows. Hopefully, things clear up as more chapters come out. Maybe with new information, I will change my mind, maybe you will change your mind.
The thing you said about the noble thing is true. Honestly, I hope that she doesn't turn out to be a villain or some part of some plot to expose the MC. While I did point out some of the short comings of the story, I do think that this story does differ a bit in some aspcects. Like Mc isn't passive, have a career, doesn't live in a castle as a noble but at the same time, the evil stepmother trope was used so I do have to lower my expectations.
How do you think the story will go?
By pointing out that he came to her shop I just meant that I didn't see the need to knock as you don't knock when entering a shop, though he could have greet her fist, I admit that. Interrogating in the back of the shop instead somewhere more private, like her house or his office, is a bit of a stretch, though under the influence of modern criminal TV series I didn't think much of it... Him not sending an underling may be because of the importance if the task - the noble as threaten and a highly valuable plant was at stake.
Ah, if you studied it and have can find some correlation with your country you might know more than me. Honestly, from how and what you write you seem to have more insight on how society used to work. I can only bet on my common sense, if I care enough to think about it... I do tent to go by guts feeling most of the time....
I have to agree with you on paragraph 3. It's hard to say the period of stories when fantasy characteristics are involved and that's also a reason it's hard to say the rules people in the stories live by. What is, or was, normal for us doesn't have to be for characters in the story. F.e. I can't really see a young woman learning martial arts without any judgement and difficulties like our protagonist...
Yes, I agree to disagree. There's no shame in admiting you're wrong, so when it turns out that protagonist is not arrogant or even rude, just cold and not social, I'll admit it. For now I'm postponing the judgement about arrogance, but I'm standing behind the rudeness...
I agree with you on the story, it's not entirely 'the same old thing', though lately there is more and more stories with strong female character. I think that evil stepmother thing was unnecessary, author just should stick with evil stepsister and make stepmother just side with her daughter.
Well, it's pretty obvious who will be the love interest. For him, I think that captain will be that type I find annoying - haughty, surprised and drawned in by FL's lack of interest in him and her different attitude. He will, probably, flaunt his strong points at her, like how handsome, strong and smart he is or something, he'll tease her a lot and for whatever stupid reason she'll fall for him. The saved noble girl will either become FL's good friend or her nemesis, though I'm going for the first option. She'll be that silly, airheaded type probably, the one everyone finds adorable. FL will open up her heart to both captain and noble girl, sooner or later. And of course captain will find out (probably sooner than later) that FL possess magical ability. And the said magical ability will have some importance later, probably someone else will find out and they'll try to exploit it, for the sake of captain saving our FL... But I might be wrong, which would be great.
What about you? What do you think?
Btw, I really enjoyed our discussion (=・ω・=)
Oh, that makes more sense.
When it comes to the insight thing, I think it may be because I write a lot of essays so I'm used to going into details. Going by your guts feeling is basically what you mostly need IRL.
You're so right about the martial arts thing, plus didn't it come out of nowhere in the story?
Indeed, it's nice to see an increase in variety. Which one is your favorite? My is miss not so side kick.
I basically think that what you said will happen although I am worried about the mc getting tricked/
Oh and I like our discussion too. It's nice to have a back and forth with someone without anyone getting mad or defensive. It was great because now I get your views so much more than I did in the beginning.
I've never really wrote essays, so that's why I most go by feelings and don't go into details n.n"
Right?! It's great to have a female lead good at martial arts, but it to new it seemed too random...
I like that one too, though it took me a while to get used to it. Miss Not So Side-kick is like a parody of all isekai reincarnation shoujo. Latte is fearless and her drama is Oscar worthy.
I like Beatrice, there is not as much drama as one would expect, just the right amount, and it seems interesting.
Step-mother's Märchen (?), Why are doing this my duke?!, Emperor's Daughter, Duchess's 50 tea recipes... those are good too. All the female lead have their strong point, yet still are vulnerable. I like characters that have to overcome something and they do so be it with someone's help or by themself, after a bit of struggle. But probably my favorite is The reason why Realiana ended up in Duke's mansion. I love the characters, especially the leads and this one silent soldier.
The whole time I was thinking that this is how a proper discussion should be. Polite, non-aggressive, contributing to the subject. I've understood your point and it got me thinking about mine too. It was... classy... (▰˘◡˘▰)
Alright so, first of all, I freaking love the way you just explained everything. It's extremely well put together.
In terms of the female lead doing martial arts, I hope it gets used in the story. Like she defends herself or somehow uses that skill to her advantage.
Out of all the ones you mentioned, Beatrice went under my radar. big thanks for the recommendation. I'm probably going to binge it in between revision. The Reason Why Raeliana Ended up at the Duke's Mansion is indeed really great, a 5/5 in my opinion.
I 100% agree. It's so nice to have a clam relaxed discussion. I'm glad that it got you thinking because it got me thinking too.
Honestly, it was a really nice chat and you don't usually expect that when there are two opposing sides. I know that this is a bit off-topic but in R.E. (teaches debating, arguing and making points) we were doing evil and suffering and having a class discussion. At first, it was respectful and nice but towards the end it got out of hand and people were just shouting their opinions, not listening to what everyone else was saying and overall at that point the discussion stopped going anywhere and at that point it was a typical internet argument. But it's nice to have arguments that don't go like that and instead you get to understand the other side more :)
Thank you, I'm trying xD And I loved how you put out your opinion too. It well explained the reasons for your opinion, and also it wasn't aggressive, which I appreciated.
To be honest, it would be dumb not to use it. If the author went as far as to make FL to learn martial arts, she should use it in the story. And I don't count the kick in the greenhouse, that was... well, ordinary...
You're welcome :) I remembered a new addition to the list - Ebony. I couldn't remember the name at the time xD Though I guess there won't be many stories that I know and you don't...
It was unexpected. I don't even remember the last time I had a relaxed discussion like this. And this lengthy too, not that I mind xD
Ah, I can understand why would they get heated and emotional. I get like that too, but not in such circumstances. That's no different than quarrel. And just because you're louder doesn't mean you're right, as many people think...
It is nice and I appreciated it more because I don't have such discussions often. So thank you for joining me in a polite opinion exchange :D
Hmm, I don't like MC's attitude so far. She's arrogant and plain rude so far （￣へ￣）