Umm, I've been reading some of your comments and I really really enjoyed every single one of them. I realized you enjoy characters that fight against disgusting tropes like rape and abuse, so I thought I'd drop this recommendation of a novel:
Don't Pick Up Boyfriends From The Trash Bin
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/dont-pick-up-boyfriends-from-the-trash-bin/
Idk if you prefer manga over novels, but I HIGHLY recommend something that defeats all fantasized tropes.
I recommend it to everyone actually. It's really good.
Finally someone understand lol jkjk but yes! I love that type a lot you got me right! I do read novels too (I read everything tbh I'm a fucking nerd) so thank you for the recommendation <333 I'm always looking for new novels to read.
Most comments have been saying the same thing, from what I have seen. I haven’t seen people saying Yoon is a the knight in shining armor. It’s pretty clear that this is a more realistic view.
The rape trope is popular mainly because people have rape fantasies. The problem is that these are uploaded for free for everyone (very young) to enjoy which is a huge problem. The target audience for these kinds of yaoi is for mature audiences. People with fetishes. However, it gets into the wrong hands.
The problem is most readers and mangakas do see it as rape in the first place to even claim they have that fetish. They see it as "passionate love" like the top just can't hold back, like he just can't help himself. This mindset is prevalent throughout all hetero japanese porn including yaoi which is written mostly by het women and is rooted in toxic masculine and sexist ideals. So it sucks and no unfortunately most fujoshi see it as regular romantic sex that's just a little more passionate.
Most of the ppl trying to defend him have left because reality set in I guess lol
*Don't whoops
This story seems very realistic and I am personally lovin it.
I haven’t really looked into het Japanese porn so I can’t speak from experience. I also can’t really get into Japanese and Korean culture in terms of how they view rape. That is a whole other story. My experience is that it is just a fetish for many who are into this trope and that they DO understand it’s rape. I think it is okay if people read these and still have a healthy perception with reality. The issue is when people confuse rape with passion, that’s an issue.
Again, my understanding is that these mangas are closed off from minors and they are pretty strict to who they sell it to, it’s bound and you have to show ID (from what I heard.)
Either way the messages sucks for anyone to consume especially considering Japanese society has 0 rep for queer ppl and it reinforces horrible stereotypes and crap about gay men. I know a bit about the cultural aspect because I've studied it. Thats why I feel so passionate about this issue. There's not enough ppl who do understand it as rape, just like shojo tends to beautify toxic shit yaoi does too.
“More progressive” societies with more gay right also have women producing unrealistic and problematic novels/erotica about gay people. Many of these women are highly educated adults, mind you. Amazon is full of it. That’s just something people with artistic rights and freedom do. Same with Japan. This mangwa is also produced by an adult woman, which can also be seen as problematic even if it’s more “realistic.” We can write essays about how problematic this is for many audiences who click on a free site and read it.
Still, people with normal intelligence should be able to comprehend that it’s not real and real gay people should not be associated with fantasy work, especially when produced by women who are not gay men. Hence why its targeted at mature audiences (usually with fetishes) and not people who don’t understand real life.
Rape romanticization is a common theme and trope in many erotica’s all over the world. That is because many girls and women have rape fantasies. Their work is influenced by these fantasies. It’s fairly common everywhere but Japan is more open about it. Even Western pre teen books have unhealthy rapey themes and these were not influenced by yaoi.
In terms of solution. Banning or saying it should be stopped entirely is not really realistic. People will always create different types of works, even when they know it is wrong. The only solution if for people to actually pay for it and support the artist. I am pretty sure the people paying for it are paying with their own hard earned money and are not easily influenced by fantasy work. They are finding things that they enjoy without it blinding their real world view. Younger audiences are more influenced by media.
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People's reaction to this manhwa shows that the rape to love trope needs to die in yaoi in general. Y'all like "ppl should be used to this its yaoi" naw son that ain't the problem. We shouldn't continue to normalize romanticizing rape in yaoi, it's BECAUSE other mangaka romanticize it so much that people don't seem to recognize an asshole top when they see one. They couldn't even recognize him as a rapist until he was brutal and stereotypical with his rape. Y'all mfs should've stop trusting this nigga when he killed his servant with no remorse in the beginning.
Y'all should've stop trusting him when he raped NaKyum the first time but naw I remember half of y'all tried to pass it off as okay and still tried to argue he could change, that he is redeemable. That's because mangakas rarely depict rape accurately and almost never represent it in ALL its forms, or rather, they all excuse date rape as a lazy form of "romantic development" when its not. Reading this genre has warped y'all views of what's right and wrong in a relationships so let's stop pretending media don't negatively influence people's POV and spreads misinformation THANK YOU.
ANYWAY. I applaud the author for not perpetuating that harmful trope and going balls deep in the drama and pain. I applaud them for being consistent and depicting Seungho's actions as clearly wrong. More mangakas need to follow this lead and make yaoi better written and more progressive overall. I hate Seungho as a character but I love how he's written because he's truly an anti hero, he's a very accurate depiction of a sociopath and if y'all think this nigga gonna turn into an empathetic and gentle lover you might as well just drop this now because you're delusional (also if you don't like realistic rape, you should drop this for your own health).
I believe this might go the Harada route and I'm fucking ready because there's not a lot of mangakas that go as far as them but this person has got that potential. Seungho straight up has shown no remorse so far but even if he does he is going to continue to abuse NaKyum. Speaking of NaKyum, yes queen I'm SO happy I'm starting to see him be a man of action. It sucks that the teacher seems to be the fuel but I'm really hoping he will wrap Seungho around his finger and karma slaps Seungho in the face. It seems possible now and omg that would be some impressive character development.
Don't get me wrong I do want to know why Seungho is the way he is, it's been established that he is traumatized in some way and I don't think he is some basic antagonist. Like I said he's more of an anti-hero, he'll probably have a past that will garner sympathy for him. It'll probably be harder to hate him after finding out his past but Is2g if this goes the route of NaKyum "healing" him through love then I'm dropping this in a second. You can't heal someone like that with love, they need to heal themselves. Plus it's another overused trope.
I really want to know what Seungho was saying to NaKyum tho, it was slightly funny that he managed to get a boner right after being in 'imma kill somebody' mode lmao he a trip "You don't want me to kill your teacher then suck my dick right here." bet you he said something along those lines. Man, I'm only rooting for NaKyum at this point, I'm proud of my boy for resisting at least.