rape?? there's No rape in this story. Igen did treat him badly, as the son of his enemy at first. kasan had a terrible internal struggle between loving Igen and the fact he killed his family. Kasan family ain't innocents. all of them participated and supported the betrayal. (still I don't know if Kasan's mother and sister knew about the rape, I mean Kasan's father raped Igen's mother before killing her). But they weren't innocent. Kasan was the only one clueless about what happened.
I think you’re missing the bigger picture; the idea behind this comment is both of them have suffered terrible losses, but Igen’s loss of his family seems to be highlighted more than Kassan’s. The question remains is why is there such a lack of empathy for Kassan? As said in the story, it is because he had the wrong father, so it is not him who is at fault, but fate. By saying that the whole Akuzan family are guilty is a false statement. Are we certain EVERY part of the family was in on it? No. The servants of the house, all the workers for the Akuzan household were slaughtered? To say they are not innocent would be false as well. You can make the claim that the Akuzan family was not innocent, in general, this would be correct, but when looking at individual people this statement is inherently untrue. This person isn’t saying the Akuzan are innocent but referring to the bloodshed of unnecessary victims (workers, guards, maids, etc...)
look what to their first time. there was definitely rape. he kept yelling stop, and was called low.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/to_take_an_enemys_heart/nbt/manga/lueduo_diren_de_xin/c014/pg-18/
also, how can you blame the other family members without the story showing they are guilty? how did his SISTER of all things have any responsibility for what her father did???
Thats exactly what i meant. Thank you for explaining my thoughts so well.
We can see Kassan in the past many times through the story. He was a good kid that would try to feed the homeless. How did he deserve all the awful things that occurred to him? The only thing we see of the sister is that she doesnt want to get involved with a homeless person being falsely accused. I dont think making such a selfish choice makes her deserve death. Some people try to avoid getting involved in things like that. Doesnt make it right, but doesnt make her an awful person either, in my opinion.
The brother that went insane was once kind and protective of Kassan. We still dont know if he was always evil, or if the tragedy changed him.
I love this story dearly, i just wanted Kassan to have a bigger voice. =)
i wish we could edit comments. my first response should say "look what happened during their first time."
that wasn't their first time lol. he didn't raped him. he molested him aka masturbated him. not nice. at that moment they didn't know each other and Igen hated him.
Kasan's family knew about how their father got the power. In one of the translations I read it was mentioned that kasan was the only one clueless about what happened. when you translate, there will be always stuff left behind.
do you realize the Azukun family was the one in power of almost a whole country?! Kasan's father killed the King and all his sons, only Asakin survived. kasan's father is not royal, so he couldn't be king; but were noble and took the power. it seems Igen's family were the ones protecting the king. so they got killed first. Queen mother trained Igen to take the country back. this story is not about feuds between two families clans, this story is about political power and the throne/crown. if you want to compare, Igen killed the Azukun household; kasan's father killed Igen's, Asakin's and any family loyal to the king (Ceaser's included). this is why Igen's loss seems highlighted over Kassan's.
I don't think you understand what rape is, which is scary.
Yes, I understand all.of that.... how are kassan and his family responsible for what their father chose to do. Igen killed innocent people, just like kansans father did. They both suffered a great loss, but kassans pain was never acknowledged. Igen only showed momentary remorse when kassan was crying for his mother. I think deep down he knows he did something wrong but his pride won't let him admit it.
correct me if I'm wrong but Igen didn't really rape him first time right? He was in the bath when Igen threaten Kasan to be his sex slave and forcefully masturbate him, which of course it's close to rape but it's more like sexual harassment (which is still horrible of course, but hey, Igen was just stabbed by a knife in his heart so it was some sort of revenge?). And then when they finally had their first time, it was after Igen had a nightmare and cried and Kasan calmed him down, and Igen said "he won't stop this time even if Kasan asked him to..." and Kasan replied, "I didn't say I didn't want it..." and kissed Igen's scar, which means Kasan gave him consent right?
I agree. Kassan gave him consent. The only rape that happens is the rape of Igen's mother. Kassan was nearly rape in a later chapter and saved by Igen in the nick of time. I would think if Igen was not icy at the bath tub then by Kassan's thoughts, he may had consent at that time. I know Igen had made sexual advances and made comments but after reading this many times and translation some of the Korean, I would want to believe from his actions he would not want to force Kassan any more than he did. That bath tub scene was in a bad moment for them and they are still in a misunderstanding at that time.
Jesss..... Igen did sexually assault Kassan but he did not rape him. Rape is a form of sexual assault but there has to be sexual intercourse or sexual penetration without the person's consent. That bath tub scene was an sexual assault not rape. But I would believe by the thoughts of Kassan if Igen was not Icy at that time, it would not even been an sexual assault. I think Mixtress Bathory did understand the definition of rape.
Guys... I think the misconception has been amended. But this kind of stuff always makes for good ethical conversation.
You're right, throughout this story I never understood why Kassan and his other family members had to be blamed for some grievous actions that they did not even partake in. Igen righteously should have only killed Kassan's father. But I guess it's how society was like in the past, people used to greatly emphasize upon the importance of blood connections so... it's unjust but that was just their (erroneous) mindset and way of thinking. I do wish that Kassan didn't place so much blame upon himself for something that he clearly isn't accountable for (claiming that he betrayed his family, etc. ) But I do think that Igen really did feel repentant about what he did though, and has actually learnt from his mistakes, since he took in Airan's son and even named him after his mother. The scene where we were introduced to her son was really powerful symbolism.
That is very true. He could have gotten rid of the child and kassan would never have known. I didnt see it as his way of showing remorse for what he did. Thank you for the response. =)
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i almost didnt read this, i was expecting there to be lots of cheating, and that it would be difficult to read. There wasnt cheating, but there was rape and violence; from Igen towards Kasan. Mostly in the beginning, before they fell in love. Im glad i stuck through the story.
The only thing that bugs me, is that i felt that Kasens grief is never truly acknowledged. Everyone constantly mentions Igens painful past, how his family was killed. I get wanting revenge against Kasans fathers. But Igen killed innocent people to get his revenge. He became the mirror of the man he hated the most.
I dont like that Kasan had to bury his grief, and never really allowed himself to feel the pain of loss. Or feel the pain of knowing Igen took the lives of his innocent family members.
I loved this story, dont get me wrong. I just hoped that the people in that house would understand more that Kasan suffered a terrible loss.