Seungho is Seungho

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 6:31 pm

It's so weird to me when people try to paint his obviously cruel actions as him not understanding Nakyum and him having to come around. I don't get how yall can hate Inshit with your whole chest but use kid gloves with Seungho like he's not just as bad.

At this point he pretty much said he knows everything that's going on including the fact that Nakyum is terrified of him and ran away because he doesn't want it. He understands very well what he's doing, maybe he's never experienced infatuation before but he knows very well that he wants Nakyum as more than another piece of ass.

He just doesn't care how he gets to Nakyum's heart. Yall saying "Once he realizes his feelings"? He don't realize them now? He seems pretty aware to me.

In my opinion I think people don't really like Seungho for who he is. People keep calling him hot and saying how he can develop and trying to dumb down his cruelty like that's not one of his most interesting things about his character. Nothing wrong with seeing him as hot, he's supposed to be seen that way, but he's so much more than your typical "hot seme" who goes from rapist to lover. That lazily written BJ Alex, Viewfinder type top does not fit this story.

Not saying he can't develop but he's not developing into a lovey dovey boy. He's a selfish prick and no matter how you try to twist it he reveals every chapter that he knows exactly what Nakyum is thinking, he absolutely knows how much he hurts Nakyum. He just doesn't give a fuck.

Look at the way he reacted when Nakyum started crying. How he could've stopped there but CHOSE to make himself the victim by making it seem like Na was trying to provoke him. People don't even seem to read the dialogue sometimes. People take the little bit of vulnerability he shows and runs with it, trying to argue he's smart but then turning around and treating him like some clueless child when he does fucked up stuff. He's not just emotionally ignorant, he also lacks empathy, period.

I never understood people who stan villains but don't want them to be a villain. Watering down Seungho's actions and continuing to hope that he does a 180 and acts all lovey dovey and out of character seems like something a fan wouldn't do. He may not be romantic interest material (he could be in a fucked up sense I suppose) but he's super interesting as he is. Even if he develops I don't think his fucked up side will go away but isn't that what keeps the drama ripe?

It's like some Seungho fangirls don't really like him for who he is. I could be wrong but the rose-colored shades are there, everyone else seems to enjoy him as the dom he is and fully accept that he may always be a selfish prick.

Responses
    Rui_Vi January 8, 2020 6:33 pm

    An intellectual. I hate both inhun and Seungho but like at this point to me Seungho is a bit the lesser of two evils cause at least he doesnt hide the fact he sucks ass. Inhun is just a snake using Kyum's innocent feelings against him :(

    Lacchan January 8, 2020 6:35 pm

    Agree 1000%. I don't think this is going to be the rape to lover trope. And Seungho clearly is aware of what he is doing. No need to sugarcoat because this is not a romance, but a great drama that MUST remain a drama

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 6:42 pm
    An intellectual. I hate both inhun and Seungho but like at this point to me Seungho is a bit the lesser of two evils cause at least he doesnt hide the fact he sucks ass. Inhun is just a snake using Kyum's innoc... Rui_Vi

    Honestly they both suck equally in different ways. Seungho is going into emotional manipulation territory too. It's both going to be fun to watch and sad....and maybe a little steamy in a twisted way ;)

    sakuramochi January 8, 2020 6:43 pm

    The rose-coloring is a common trait in fictional stories. This is not an exclusive phenomenon to the BL community, not even to the anime and manga community. In general, the trait of rape and violence is not fully understood by the readers and creators, so that (faint) Stockholm Syndrom is mistaken for love.

    I do think a 180 ° turn is possible, as his behaviour is a common one for aristocrats who treat the ones under them with force but can act differently to their target of desire. But of course, it has to be pointed out that there is no clue how Seungho treats persons he loves (like family members or true friends). I am waiting for backstory. His behaviour towards NaKyum is - of course - UNEXCUSABLE. There is a lot to be made for, even if they do not end up as a couple.

    However, I want to point out that the fangirl-affecting for Seungho probably derives from the fact that a reader wishes that there is a couple and from the current story Seungho seems to be the more preferable one according to the opinion of most readers.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 6:45 pm
    Agree 1000%. I don't think this is going to be the rape to lover trope. And Seungho clearly is aware of what he is doing. No need to sugarcoat because this is not a romance, but a great drama that MUST remain a... Lacchan

    RIGHT! I don't get the dismissive sugar coating like, seems like a fake fan to me. The denial is so unnecessary, we all know this is a fucked up manhwa, why not embrace all parts of the drama and accept it as what it is?

    Rui_Vi January 8, 2020 6:48 pm
    Honestly they both suck equally in different ways. Seungho is going into emotional manipulation territory too. It's both going to be fun to watch and sad....and maybe a little steamy in a twisted way ;) 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    Yeah they are both pretty damn terrible. But like if I had to choose one lol actually nah i choose FREEDOM!!! Screw them both! jk jk I guess the reason id say i was more salty with Inhun is because ive dealt with people who were a lot like him. A wolf in sheeps clothing type of deal. But like Seungho a violent murderer and rapist, master manipulator....so yeah. Both just as bad xD so true though i am ready for anything Byeon throws our way! Like its just such a well written story even though there isnt heavy amounts of dialogue. Truly genius.

    Lacchan January 8, 2020 6:54 pm
    RIGHT! I don't get the dismissive sugar coating like, seems like a fake fan to me. The denial is so unnecessary, we all know this is a fucked up manhwa, why not embrace all parts of the drama and accept it as w... 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    I think people are so used to this yaoi trope that even when the story is not supposed to be romantic, the act itself is seen as a sign of love. There are even people who said that he didn't say no so this doesn't count as rape. This is one hell of a delusion. The whole manga is about this abusive relationship. I feel like this should be seen not as a "Bj Alex" but as a "Nii-chan" type of story where, even it they do end up together at the end, it's not because of some love delusion.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 6:59 pm
    The rose-coloring is a common trait in fictional stories. This is not an exclusive phenomenon to the BL community, not even to the anime and manga community. In general, the trait of rape and violence is not fu... sakuramochi

    But does it HAVE to be a generic lovey dovey couple? This story was never romantic from the beginning, why does there have to be a neat love dovey couple at the end like every boring romance novel? Does that even fit the theme?

    My problem is not ppl who want them together, there are plenty of ppl shipping them by his actual personality, who enjoy his good and bad sides. My confusion is with ppl calling him gentle while he threatens Nakyum and saying he doesn't know how to handle his feelings when he is pretty obviously aware that he desires Nakyum. He shows that in the next chapter pretty well but I won't spoil.

    My confusion is ppl trying to water down the severity of his actions. I think he will turn out to be more sympathetic in the end but sympathy is not the same as straight up watering down someone's actions.

    llm January 8, 2020 7:38 pm
    An intellectual. I hate both inhun and Seungho but like at this point to me Seungho is a bit the lesser of two evils cause at least he doesnt hide the fact he sucks ass. Inhun is just a snake using Kyum's innoc... Rui_Vi

    Amen.

    thebigofan January 8, 2020 8:41 pm

    Because he's hot as fuck and we love a possessive seme. So fuck off.
    Thanks.

    Rui_Vi January 8, 2020 10:54 pm
    Because he's hot as fuck and we love a possessive seme. So fuck off. Thanks. thebigofan

    So not only are you a snooty bitch, but also can't add anything remotely intelligent to a conversation. Got it ( ̄∇ ̄")

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 10:57 pm
    Because he's hot as fuck and we love a possessive seme. So fuck off. Thanks. thebigofan

    Lmao you can’t read either, thanks for showing your true colors tho. I’m sorry I offended you earlier but this just makes you look like the ass here

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 10:59 pm
    So not only are you a snooty bitch, but also can't add anything remotely intelligent to a conversation. Got it ( ̄∇ ̄") Rui_Vi

    I was actually going to apologize just in case there was a misunderstanding earlier but they didn’t even give me a chance lmao

    Rui_Vi January 8, 2020 11:04 pm
    I was actually going to apologize just in case there was a misunderstanding earlier but they didn’t even give me a chance lmao 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    Home biscuit didnt even read. Probs just read the first sentence and started spewing crap. Like wow. You didnt even say anything problematic and they jump down your throat lol

    thebigofan January 8, 2020 11:16 pm
    So not only are you a snooty bitch, but also can't add anything remotely intelligent to a conversation. Got it ( ̄∇ ̄") Rui_Vi

    I'm not snooty just because I'm trying to encourage people to BUY THE COMICS.

    thebigofan January 8, 2020 11:18 pm
    Lmao you can’t read either, thanks for showing your true colors tho. I’m sorry I offended you earlier but this just makes you look like the ass here 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    I apologize. I didn't read your original post properly.
    Sorry.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 11:35 pm
    I apologize. I didn't read your original post properly. Sorry. thebigofan

    Its okay I just needed time to reply to your other post. This was probably a misunderstanding in general, no hard feelings.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 11:36 pm
    I apologize. I didn't read your original post properly. Sorry. thebigofan

    I apologize too, for earlier

    Rui_Vi January 8, 2020 11:37 pm
    I'm not snooty just because I'm trying to encourage people to BUY THE COMICS. thebigofan

    The way you do it isn't encouraging. Its condescending. Ive seen your previous posts on other manga threads so (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ i cannot be fooled

    thebigofan January 8, 2020 11:52 pm
    The way you do it isn't encouraging. Its condescending. Ive seen your previous posts on other manga threads so (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ i cannot be fooled Rui_Vi

    Well, I was bit fed up with "fans" not willing to pay a dime for someone's work. I did not intend my posts to come across as condescending or snooty. Next time I will read over what I wrote before I post them.