Absolute CLOWNS.

Oh I don't want to be raped, you would have to be really ignorant to say that. And yes it is MY fantasy but why does the fact that this turned ME on have to be empathised?

I enjoy looking at people role-play, if someone is actually rapping someone I will call the police. It's called standard's. If it's fiction then I will enjoy it as long as it doesn't pass certain boundaries.

If you consider me to have a BIG PROBLEMthen ask yourself why. And don't strawman me again with your " if you want to be raped", instead read what I wrote instead of assuming.

It seems that to you the act of reading fiction is wrong if it's about a "bad" topic. Therefore the only logical thing for you to argue is why you consider this to be the case. Why is it relevant? Will it cause anything real to happen?

So you dont want to BE raped? But enjoy looking at IMAGES of people being raped????? Dosent matter if its fiction or not thats f*cked up. Thats the same logic as its ok to enjoy child porn or loli porn because the pedophile isnt hurting kids.
https://youtu.be/P3ve2QBgExM

Facts. Tell it how it is.

No I don't want anyone to be raped. If it's rape then I will just find it to be disgusting. If it's role-play between two consenting adults then I will like it.

Are you suggesting that I'm a rapist with your comparison?

Enjoying child porn literally involves being attracted to children and also wouldn't they need to use actual children in order for it to be child porn? In porn, rape can be faked through role-play but you sure as hell can't fake someone being a child. You're comparing apples to oranges. Sure they might both be fruit but they are very different.

I'm not saying you're a rapist. I am saying you are a WEIRDO. This isnt about "roleplay" this is about YOU enjoying seeing images of people being raped. That is not normal. Now you're telling me enjoying loli/child porn is ok because if dosent involve actual children?! Can you hear yourself?! Most people would say they enjoy the dark psychological aspect of this manga but you went full out admitting you get turned on looking at images of people being raped. I literally cannot THINK how you can justify this. I am BAFFLED.
https://youtu.be/P3ve2QBgExM

You're not listening to me nor are you arguing against me. I have not seen anyone strawman another human being to this extent ever.

I don't support cp. All i did was say that cp and rape roleplay are diffrent thing.

Can you explain how you took what I said and twisted it into this? Just calm down a little. Take a breathe or two and read what I wrote. Ask yourself, "what do these words mean" and forget all your assumptions. Read what I wrote and then find out my position. In case you can't be bothered to go back and read all the stuff I previously wrote I shall repeat it bellow in short points:

-I am against rape.
-I am against child porn even if it's fictional.
-I am for rape role-play between two consenting adults.
-I believe RP should include a safe world and the actions that will be played out during a scene should be discussed first so that all parties involved are comfortable with what takes place.
-Rape is repulsive. Rape role-play isn't.
-I don't believe role-play should involve anything that causes harm.
-I believe you need to be at least 18 to consent legally but frankly I would prefer that number to be 25.
-Consent can be taken back at any point. Meaning that if two people are role-playing but then one of them wants to stop and says the safe word, they must stop right that moment. Otherwise the person who did not follow that rule deserves to get the crap beated out of them.
-I believe that if anyone decides to take part in rape role-play then they should only do so after evaluating and knowing the other person very well for safety.
-I am ok with fictional depictions of rape.
-I am against rape being romanticised and presented as a good thing.
-I get turned on by the thought of being powerless or tied down. Seeing such things turns me on. Seeing people actually get raped doesn't as that's inhumane.
-You're free to consider this weird as it's a fetish and that's the thing about fetishes.
-I enjoy the dark physiological aspect of this too.
-If I would see someone getting rapes I would call the police.
-I believe that the rapist should get punished as real rape causes harm to the victim (both physical and psychological) while role-play doesn't.
-I don't want to get raped.
-Rape role-play isn't rape as it requires consent.

As for this manga:
-The scenes turn me on.
-It's a work of fiction that actually treats rape as rape and I believe that be a good thing. However I can already see that this work is going towards the "seme raped the uke but loves him route" as it's already getting hinted at.
-The seme needs to be in jail and the uke needs help but I know that won't happen due to the setting of the story.
-I don't ship them.
-I am fully ok with the story existing.

Yes it turns me on and I am ok with you think that is weird because it's a fetish. But what do you expect to achieve by calling me a "WEIRDO" and accusing me of random things? What real life consequences does me getting turned on by an unusual thing have? I am not out there advocating for rape. I am not out there raping people.

ok, i respect your opinion but i still think your a weirdo who does not think about the implications of your words. You cannot simply announce you think rape is turn on and not expect some repurcussions. And Heres the thing. If you have to spend the time to write a long ass list explaining why what you're thinking is "ok" then its probably not. I didnt accuse you of anything besides being a weirdo. Also idk wtf this roleplay thing is you're talking about because i didnt bring that up at all. Rape roleplay is ok if its between two consenting people, but as a third party watching and enjoying that is not normal. A fetish is toe sucking or bondage. What youre describing as your rape fetish is more BDSM, a dom/sub situation. Why cant you call it that instead of a rape fetish, then we wouldnt have a problem here?? A rape fetish is being turned on by seeing people forced into sex and clearly not enjoying it. That is NOT normal. That is borderline sociopathic and should not be normalized AT ALL.

You're free to think that. In some ways I am quiet eccentric.

I had to write the list because you were not listening to what I was saying and assuming stuff based on nothing e.g. you accused me of being into child porn.... It wasn't a list saying why what i think is ok, it was a list stating what I think.

"Rape roleplay is ok if its between two consenting people, but as a third party watching and enjoying that is not normal." Why? Wouldn't that make watching porn also not normal?

I'm not into the Dom/Sub thing at all - it's a huge turn off for me. A rape fetish can be defined how you defined it but that doesn't really represent the picture. A rape fetish is when you're into the idea of being forced/you're into the forcing part of it. (Key word = idea -> not the actual act.) You could relate it to the dom thing with how one person would play the victim while the other would play the rapist role but there is one major difference. In the dom/sub roleplay it is based around submission while people in the rape fetish part of the community do prefer for there to be "pretend-refusal." Of course there is a lot of variation with some people preferring for the person playing the victim to give up really soon and to start playing the submissive role. You could say that in a way it's close to the machoist and sadist part of bdsm (SM) but then for me it wouldn't fit as physical pain is a huge turn off except for stuff like spanking which I would be willing to give a try but that is very low key especially when compared to what kind of stuff people into SM do. My kink can be best described as a rape fetish and it does mix with other fetishes e.g. bondage.

Your definition of a rape fetish sounds far more like a definition of a rapist. I suppose there is a thin line but I do think that line makes a huge difference as that line is literally consent.

I won't argue with the fact that within this community there are some messed up people. E.g rape bating or people stupid enough to actually say crap like "I wanna get raped", like no you're into the idea, not the actual act. The large majority of the community is normal level headed people but the crazies are there which is why safety and consent should always be the top priority as the line is easy to break in this type of rp.

I don't think rape should be normalised at all either. But in the yaoi fandom it is. What I am talking about isn't stuff like this manga as it presents rape as rape and does show the victim suffering (thus not showing it as a normal ok to do thing.) I am referring to a large portion of the stuff on here. You read a manga like this and people start going off saying "It's rape, how can people read this" but then they go and read a manga where the uke asks the seme to stop and the seme continues or just straight up forced themselves at the uke or the "seme raped uke but is in love with him so it's 100% ok". Then you go to the comment section and no one mentions that it was raped. People go on as if nothing bad happened because they can't even tell that it was rape. That's what I call normalisation. I personally believe it to be due to a lack of proper sex ED and just because of how common this is in yaoi.

It's like everyone on here needs to watch the British tea consent video.