Being self absorbed isn’t cute.

Whaaaat I don’t really see your point of view. He just asked Noah for a favor to team up with him in a game they’re both good at (which Noah himself said isn’t even that hard to do) so how is taking up his free time? Also how is he homophobic just bc he didn’t like the idea of kissing someone? Its weird to do it with someone you just met, he just feels uncomfortable. Also it’s just a webtoon, why are you taking it so seriously with the whole ‘getting an education like the rest of society’ like he’s literally just a two dimensional made up character and we’re reading about his romance story w the other dude

Well, i can see why some people could dislike a character. But i agree with you. I also dont really care about how bad a characters personality could be lol. All i care about is how well these comics can entertain me. As long as it's fictional and i know that i wont get affected by it. But so far, im really entertained by this webtoon. It's got a different feel compared to most BL's uwu

Did you not read the plot? They’re not just playing a game during any random time. They’re playing while both of them are still attending university most days. That’s time he could spend studying and various other activities we might not be aware of. Doori asked him to help to ensure Doori wins a cash prize that will be more beneficial to Doori than to either of them, because Doori wants to kill two birds with one stone. His gaming addiction and pay for college they he personally screwed up. And while he was asked for kisses in exchange, Doori still gets more out of the agreement included making someone pay for his gaming sessions at the pc cafe in exchange. Doori is clearly uncomfortable with being kissed by a man more than anything as he clearly said so when the kiss was first suggested. Don’t even try and pretend that’s not homophobic. The kiss isn’t the concern, it’s being kissed by a man. I have nothing against the plot but I’m perfectly in my right to not like a character that’s a specific archetype in this genre that seen comedic but has a very negative stereotype, the homophobic uke who’s charmed by the cool seme. You can like this sure, but do not equate this as any advocacy for for lgbt it’s just more fetishized homophobia fantasy with a comedic angle. That’s the basis of their character relationship. There’s literally four other webtoons with this same premise who’ve updated in the last two months. And whether or not I don’t like a 2D character makes no sense to an argument, the medium has no relevance. I could not like a lady on tv who I can only see and not touch too,how would that have any relevance to my reason behind not liking something?

you didn’t understand me at all. I didn’t say you don’t have the right to dislike a character. I just wanted to understand your POV. I was saying why are you taking it so seriously talking about Doori’s future when he’s just a made up character. He has no future. The author decided to make their webtoon focusing on gaming so it’s going to focus on gaming. I don’t understand why you had to bring up how Doori shouldn’t be gaming and should be focusing on education like why is that at all relevant? This is a BL webtoon made for the purpose of entertainment and laughs it’s not to be taken that seriously or deep. And do you not know what I meant by “two dimensional” ?? It wasn’t meant to be taken as LITERALLY 2D on a TV but as someone who has no DEPTH. He’s purely FICTIONAL. So why tf are his education and career prospects that concerning to you?

Also if Doori is originally a straight guy why is it homophobic to not want to be kissed by a man?? I’m just genuinely curious about that. He can have no prejudice against it, it can be that he just doesn’t want to be kissed because he’s straight, right? He didn’t show any disgust, more like confusion. At least that’s how I interpreted it so far. Just because he’s straight he doesn’t have the right to say no to an unwanted kiss?? Also nearly ALL of the BL on this website does not advocate for LGBT, there are only very few gems that actually focus on LGBT and society issues but most of these comics are for entertainment! If it bothers you so much I don’t think you should read this genre.

first of all u have to remember this is fiction, not saying u have support and absolutely like these type of stories, it's up to u to like a story afterall, but how do u even know they're using all of their free time to play games?? we are just in the very early chapters of this webtoon so maybe as the story progresses we might even see them studying since doori has promised to help the ml study so that his grades don't drop
and i'm all for pro-education but u can't force your standards on everyone, going to college & getting a degree doesn't always guarantee success esp in this day and age, these days most employers prefer skills over grades anyways
and how is refusing a kiss from the same gender considered homophobic?? even the gay ppl would refuse a kiss from a guy that they're barely acquainted with, just think about it, would you be comfortable kissing a person whom u just met a few days ago? regardless of the circumstances??

Thank you !! I couldn’t articulate it well but this is what I meant!!

no u did well!! u summed up the things that i couldn't express properly

When did I ever say he’s using all his free time but rather his time in general when not in university? School doesn’t just end from 9-5. He could have a specific time gaming for himself prior to their agreement. Time he divided school, projects, homework, hobbies, etc. Now more time is dedicated to gaming that could be used elsewhere that’s my point. I said he’s using the free time of someone else in general to help himself I never said I knew the length. You can position that as a favor or a job, but if someone asks for compensation in exchange for their time thats completely reasonable. In fact we call that a job. We don’t know how he occupies his day, there’s no need to put words in my mouth or exaggerate.

And I hate the argument it’s just fiction you’re not smart for saying that. You can write fiction and still write something that can be problematic. That may not necessarily be this plot, but the constant need to reaffirm that this is fiction speaks more about you than me, that this is yours or others go to refute an argument. You can like something and it not align with others whether its fictional or not, it is such a pointless point to stand on.


My pro-education stance is a Doori values his education enough to go these lengths not me caring whether or not he receives a secondary education. He wants time to play games and gain an education. His parents gave him an option he choose this method for his own convenience and their were consequences. This isn’t soap box preaching. Read the plot you’re defending before again using my words wrongly.

And again the argument who would let a stranger kiss them in general does not stand. And your refusal to acknowledge it’s based in bigotry/ homophobia is embarrassing. South Korea the country this plot is based in with a history of homophobia where a male protagonist is worried about another male student kissing him, repeatedly runs from doing so and is now in the most recent chapter moved their kiss to a secluded area away from judgment. Stop making things up to fit your narrative. The author pointedly brings up gender as the cause for his hesitation. Last I checked that’s clearly homophobia. I could care less about any of these points as they affect the actual plot. I simply said I don’t like a character and stated the reasons why. I didn’t attack the plot or the author I don’t see the need for your vehement defense for a plot that’s a dime a dozen.

It’s so bizarre you’re both patting yourself on the back for an argument that was completely unnecessary.

i dont think hes homophobic... if some girl asked me to kiss them id be pretty uncomforable too because i dont want to kiss someone of the same gender...

and its not because im homophobic! i have plenty of gay friends and i have no problem with them and i support them. The thing is im straight and i like boys. not girls.

and the definition of homophobia is, "dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people." He did not show any of that. he just didnt want to be kissed by a man.

And that is perfectly fine. But there is clearly established context involved in his reaction and as to why he’s alarmed by kissing a boy. If he simply didn’t want to kiss another boy because he’s straight or didn’t want to no one would fault him. I’m pointing out his reasons, his reactions, his need to gossip about it, and his fear or observation. And how while both gain something, Doori doesn’t want to hold up an agreement and still reap the reward notice he’s moved the goal posts repeatedly. I don’t understand why people are doing logic gymnastics for a clearly establish BL archetypal character like they’ve never read a Doori type before. If you like this type of character that’s fine, just acknowledge this characterizing it’s not some new experience. I complained about Doori due to this type of characterization and character motivation being self absorbed. If others like him or the plot that doesn’t concern me, as I didn’t even mention issues or disliking the plot itself or Doori’s role in the plot.

alright if i misunderstood u criticizing the plot so be it, ig it's my fault and since u know how SK is w homosexuality, u might also know how kissing in public in general regardless of the gender is not looked highly upon in SK, on top of that u expect Doori to be okay w kissing out in the open?? in a country where being a homosexual could potentially lead them to get chewed off by the society? u must be well aware of these kinds of straight guy suddenly turns gay tropes in BL, this is exactly what happens every single time

u saying things like these, isn't it your own narrative as wel??

ah i posted it before i could properly type it out, anyways not saying u are completely wrong either, i'm bad at putting what i want to say in words and whatever i'm saying rn might come off as hostile but i just want to u to know that this is not an argument but a discussion, all things i've said here are my current thoughts but thoughts change and i'm flexible enough to accept new ones bc i firmly believe that if there is no change in a person's thoughts & beliefs over time then a person can't grow

Wasn’t this my point to begin with? That he worried about how it will be perceived because two men are kissing?? South Korean may not have pda often but ifs worried about how same- sex pda mayb play most importantly isn’t that homophobia. It being gender/ sexuality specific? Is there another word you know of I haven’t heard about before that means this? And suddenly turns gay trope was that not again in my very first post a point I addressed with falling for a cool seme because the plot demands so? This is exactly why I said your contribution to this argument was literally pointless. You’re having to talk back what you just said. When I addressed all of this already. Who said anything about my supposed narrative in this? I’m literally pointing out elements of a plot the author themselves has drawn and written in dialogue to contextualize them with the setting, character motivation, and overall plot. That’s simple observation. That you decided to misinterpret my words is on you.

I never badmouthed the character I said didn’t like the character type/ characterization and stated reasons why. I never said anything about the character being monstrous and being incapable of growth or again anything about the plot. It might not have been your intention to appear argumentative and I accept that. I’m sorry if I in turn came across as hostile or argumentative as well. I just was rather pointing out a type of characterization I didn’t like openly that was all.

honestly the point that i couldn't agree with at all was u calling doori homophobic just bc he refused the kiss that's all, lets just see how the story developes after this ig

also i just wanted to add that in asian culture we are always taught to fit in with the others, it's looked down upon when u try to be "different", and since it's ingrained in us, it's quiet hard for ppl to go against the established "rules/ideals" since we are scared to be frowned upon later, not saying everyone is the same tho, maybe this is why i think Doori's actions aren't homophobic


ps: sorry if u turn out to be asian and it feels like i'm preaching but i just wanted to explain my thoughts a bit, anyways this is going to be my last post, see u around