great comment. i completely agree with you.
Yea maybe he should take a break from BDSM especially if his dom tried to strangle him in their last play. What’s your fucking point? That just bc Chanwoo is struggling with whatever demons torment him, it’s ok for MD to manipulate him and ghost him when rejected even though he said it was ok to continue being fuck buddies?
Oh ok so Chanwoo has clear issues so it's ok to take advantage of them and endanger him. Sorry but MD broke so many rules and the one in real danger is Chanwoo right now. The one who was nearly strangled to death was Chanwoo. MD's actions are both irresponsible and hazardous.
I never once said that. At all.
You're getting upset over something you decided to make up on your own, and I don't really trust that you'll be able to rationally read any response I may have without trying to manipulate my words, so I'll just leave you with that.
The Dom DID have control. BDSM is about limits and reaching utmost of limits. MD reached it and was responsible for the TWO of them to stop.
MD is responsible for stopping when the limit is reached, correct.
How does one decide that limit? A safeword. Which the sub is responsible for saying. That is the sun's responsibility in bdsm and you cannot have a functional bdsm relationship without BOTH dom and sub doing their part.
And in the end, MD was the one to call the safeword because he did reach the limit and stopped it when he realized Chanwoo would rather die than "give in."
Yeah, exactly what I said broken down step by step...and this is not their first time. MD is not playing with a BDSM virgin. So I don't understand why MD has to receive the hate/criticism. People are getting emotional for Chanwoo and blaming MD for it, when MD has been emotional, yes, but is still abiding his duties as a Dom. To me, as long as MD asks for permission and stops when told to, he can't be blamed for what happens to Chanwoo.
I think people forgot that he did talk to Chanwoo properly but Chanwoo dismissed him.
YES!!!!
literally felt this post
he may not be BDSM virgin, but in this specific situation, wherin he used to have issues with his ex beating him... shouldn’t MD take this into consideration before slapping him? before strangling him? before forcing him to makeout with someone?
i think they were both wrong in their own way. md has done ALOT of insensitive things, and at the same time, chanwoo refuses to say the safe word (which i think is a result from his past abusive relationships)
long story short, i think with how they are now, they are just unhealthy and toxic to be together in this kind of bdsm relationship. they definitely have their own problems to solve before going back into these plays
Thought the Sub asked not to meddle into his personal life? Meaning to nullify the conversation they had before. If MD were to consider those then he is not respecting Chanwoo's request.
Like what are you even mixing together? There is a difference with not meddling in someone's romantic relationship and life and endanger someone in BDSM play by their insensitivity. Because there can be real consequences. Serious health one.
Chanwoo right now is in fragile state of mind after being just used and humiliated and MD is taking fully advantage of that.
Guess what. There's a next chapter. Chanwoo does not want help from anyone and will most probably be mentally broken next chapter, for better or worse. Will he realize anything or not? Will keep being stubborn? Will MD beat him up all black and blue just like his boyfriend did? Will he take notice of everything and adjust the play? Will he enjoy and revel in Chanwoo's pain?
BDSM is the only medium the two communicates, at least that's what Chanwoo decided to. So how will MD get through Chanwoo if talking doesn't work?
The problem is MD shouldn't create situation which can hurt his sub. either mentally or physically. But he is just doing that with premeditation.
Not like he was thought of, too.
Precisely. Chanwoo showed everyone that he is more than capable of making his own decisions and denying MD by purposefully disobeying his orders. It was Chanwoo's choice.
yes although md is wrong by making them do that kind of play, people are forgetting that chanwoo isn’t just a baby and he also has his own faults here. he showed that he can make his own decisions, and people are putting ALL the blame on md as if chanwoo didnt have a choice. i mean md deserves the blame, but chanwoo is obviously also flawed in this situation. i just think both md & chan are making wrong decisions here
I agree wholeheartedly. I think neither should be engaging in this type of play because neither can handle it correctly.
But the one who is in real danger is Chanwoo. The one who can get really hurt both mentally and physically is Chanwoo. The one who was abused (at least based on the information in this point in the story) and is rather unstable emotionally and mentally is once again Chanwoo. Also his mistakes: being insesitve about MD's feelings (showing with a new bf etc) and MD's actions... Are on a whole different levels.
If you guys really think that Chanwoo is so pitiful and fragile and incapable of making these kinds of decisions for himself, then you're basically saying he shouldn't be allowed to participate in bdsm bc his past will always get in the way and he'll always be a victim no matter what.
You can say what you want, but there is nothing MD could do about him not using his safeword when he even COMMANDED him to use it (you know, bc clearly chanwoo is so brainwashed and inexperienced that he'll listen to anything md says) and then Chanwoo still refused to (proving that he can refuse and has the capability to do what he wants) out of spite. And admits that it's only out of spite.
If you think that that's all due to his past and that he doesn't know any better, then he shouldn't be doing any of this in the first place right?
Contrary to what you guys are saying, BDSM is a two way street and both doms and subs have responsibilites. Doms need control, subs need to be able to understand themselves well enough to speak out when boundaries are crossed. Both MD AND Chanwoo violated these rules knowingly. Maybe neither of them should have started this kind of relationship in the first place.