Although I agree with you that MD was manipulating chanwoo into doing sth he doesnt want. It's not as if MD is forcing anything on him. Chanwoo can choose to stop or reject what he is told to do. As you can see, once chanwoo said the safe word MD immediately stopped the play and even asked the new guy to leave. Ultimately Chanwoo agreed to do what he did.
Omg.... How literally how can you proposed the play and say oh you can use a safe word or refuse... BUT. Situation like that shouldn't be created in the first place. It's clear manipulation.
MD knows perfectly Chanwoo won't refuse and lose another relationship after he was just rejected and used by the other guy.
Like I said, I agree that MD was taking advantage of Chanwoo's vulnerability at the point in time. But both are adults, and Chanwoo, despite knowing MD's intentions, still chose to go along with it. I'm not saying MD is right here. But he definitely did not force Chanwoo to do anything
You have to take in the consideration that Chanwoo isn't completely stable guy. He didn't say safe word while being strangled, tray strangled. And was in abusive relationship on last and get in another and another one.
Honestly I just feel it's unfair to put this situation into the same category as rape. This is definitely not rape
MD threw concent out of the window when he placed terms like that to the play. There shouldnt be any emotional conditions for a play. That's emotional abuse. Chanwoo hated it from the get go and MD knew that, but used the power he had over Chanwoo instead of solving it in other ways. He could have been the bigger guy. But he didn't.
I mean.. when Chanwoo adamantly rejected the idea of making out with SH in the beginning MD made it clear that he could leave anytime he wants. But chanwoo chose to stay. You can't expect MD to read chanwoo's mind. In the end, MD made it clear he could leave if he hated the play, but Chanwoo agreed to do it. Looking at it in MD's POV, why should he be the 'bigger man'? MD got rejected, and after a few weeks of not communicating Chanwoo initiated the meet up not even to talk about what happen, but to ask for permission to date? How would MD feel in that situation. Most importantly, everything that happened Chanwoo consented
It's unfair to assume that Chanwoo didnt say the safe word because he's an "emotionally unstable". The manhwa didnt clearly indicated what was his thoughts as to why he is not choosing to say the safe word. There is a possibility that he is enjoying the play very much, or his tolerance is high. Good on MD to worry about him. But Chanwoo is well able to take care of himself. It's not as if he is purposely staying in the abusive relationship anyway. Once things gets out of hand, chanwoo knows well enough to leave the r/s for good. And knowing chanwoo's personality, he is very direct and expressive in what he wants.
Yeah we should consider someone notusing safe word while being nearly strangled to deat normal. Or getting in another and another abusive relationship. He IS a victim of abuse and it shows.
It was clear, manipulated abuse and Chanwoo didn't enjoy this scene in the slightest. It was clear. It's not how BDSM works. You can't put conditions on sub so he will feel obligated to do things he doesn't want to and is uncomfortable with.
Sigh. I have no words. Yeah his abuse was justified. Yeah it's completely normal to manipulate someone into the play which is clear abuse. Yeah he wasn't interested in the other sub he had ulterior motives like grudge and pseudo lesson.
Chanwoo was a victim of abuse and he was just rejected and used, he also had problems with saying no while being strangled and MD took advantage of that. That consent wasn't consent at all because concent can't be impacted by some conditions.
Well technically you already finished reading Alex and DG’s story so obviously you know that Jiwon took accountability and learned. MD and Chanwoo’s story isn’t even finished yet, so how can you say that he hasn’t learned when it’s literally been only one day since making the mistake. Alex had weeks to learn from his mistake, so it’s pretty unfair to say that MD should learn right away. Right now you’re just predicting/assuming that MD will use this to manipulate Chanwoo in the future, you don’t actually know that he would unless you’re the author themself.
And maybe you’re seeing the situation from a different perspective but, it sounds like you think MD did all this to make Chanwoo stay. In my opinion I think he did it to make Chanwoo speak up for himself and break things off on his own. Because if you remember the previous chapters, MD wanted Chanwoo to say the safe word before, but he wouldn’t so he said it instead. I don’t think he was trying to make Chanwoo sad/cry, I just think he was trying to make him mad and give up on their relationship. Maybe cause he couldn’t bring himself to break things off on his own because he loves him too much.
(And idk about you, but out of all the BDSM BL stories I’ve read, MD is by far the most respectable one. All the previous ones I’ve seen actually raped and/or manipulated their sub partner, so I don’t know if you’re basing your feelings off of previous stories, but this is the only one where I’ve seen the Dom/Seme say the safe word first and stop immediately when the other said the safe word).
LOL. Maybe you should read that chpt again. MD was constantly asking Chanwoo if he was ok, and emphasized again and again that he should notify him if the play was too much. And mind you, the reason why chanwoo always chooses abusive guys is because n It is insinuated that chanwoo is always picking up guys in the clubs, and jumping into r/s before even getting to know that person. At least he knows when to leave. Count it on bad luck that somehow he always get the wrong guy, but MD is not responsible for Chanwoo's choices
Chanwoo thought that saying no will make him lose MD. Not only did he lose the first person that he thought could be in a well and stable relationship with just a gew minuntes ago, now losing another reletevly stable person in his life? That was "concent". Not something he actually wanted to do.
Also, MD know Chanwoo enough in that context. The first time they met Chanwoo was drugged and nearly raped, but acted so calm that you can think he was used to it. MD watched him get in and out from one unstable relationship to another. Their relationship was stable but in Chanwoos perspective, the only stable relationship he had was with a business only rule. As a person that had all of that expirience, isn't it scary to take a stable relationship into a place you know as unhealthy?
And it's impossible to say MD was unawere to the abuse, since MD was so fully awere to Chanwoos mentality that he told him they should get together for Chanwoo's sake. One of the reasons was that he was worried. Being wortied and then... doing this:/
I'm not sayimg Chanwoo is innocent, but how can anyone ask for a person that was constently abused to be in that situation? He was driven to tears. No sexual situation should do that that yo a person, especially when MD was grinning every time he knew he made Chanwoo feel bad.
MD crossed boundaries THREE TIMES. He manipulated him into the play and consent which is impacted by conditions is not consent.
And Chanwoo is a victim of abuse and abuse impact psyche. It's all really simple. He was fragile after being just used and rejected and MD fully took advantage of that.
Exactly.... Thank you. I feel like talking with the wall. I don't know it these people are too young to understand obvious manipulation or abuse or just... Don't care. I don't understand.
preach
Read Momentum....
BJ Alex is horrible representation of BDSM.
Yeah seems legit. Hurt someone both mentally and physically, manipulate them, force to do things (under pseudo consent impacted by conditions) he doesn't want to and feel uncomfortable with, break them and make them do hings with the guy who JUST rejected him and used him. Seems legit. This method should be used more frequently *sarcasm*.
And he did that as I said just after he was rejected and used by his new pseudo bf. He took full advantage of that.
You're right, MD is aware of the abuse and even warned Chanwoo to stop jumping into r/s so easily and haphazardly. And chanwoo's fear to losing his r/s with MD because it was the only stable one, how on earth do you expect MD to know how he feels if Chanwoo does not share this with him? He always brushes things off regarding his emotional well-being with his personal relationships.
I'm bitter. Well, at least they didn't stop later but that was gross. Alex did worst but he also took accountability and learned... MD didn't learn. He will use this to manipulate Chanwoo later into their relationship. That's really a shame.
And yes Chanwoo is not a saint but MD was a whole different level. It's like saying you can be raped for breaking up with someone.