Well aren't you the one making the argument? How can you not be the owner of the action? Was it anybody else's argument?
It's not right? You made the argument, hence you are the one doing the fallacy.
If you're hurt, I guess you should probably think why you're resorting to nitpicking on this, maybe because your argument is losing its edge, and you are feeling personally attacked because you made that argument. As one who embarked on this conversation, you should take ownership of your words. Otherwise, you are going to get worked up and get hurt.
Well, I guess you didn't see the difference.
Anyway I don't think that it is still rape as the prior dialouge suggest. Also as I said, if it is rape the MC, shouldn't be able to hold casual conversation with the hyung at that level or at the very least will show fear towards the hyung because of the sex but he didn't.
The MC shows fear to the hyung but not because of the sex but because he hit him due to the events afterwards.
It was also the MC that said they always had it rough. He was hurt because he hit him for the first time.
I am not saying that rape doens't happen in yaoi but saying stuff like "wait", "stop", etc. Is usual in yaoi despite it not being rape so I woudn't consider that as conclusive grounds.
Also, the Mc fought back the hyung when they had argument, in fact he was the first one to hit. So I wouldn't say he is in no position to fought back.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/legs_which_cannot_walk/uu/iur_chapter-9/pg-7/
No, there is no difference. It becomes a personal attack when I say something personal like, "you must be so dumb" or "you must be so used to situations like this," or "get it to your small brain to blah blah," etc. Again, it is you who made the fallacy, because you made the argument. Verbs are transitive, they have an owner - you.
Next, it is not proper evidence to use other yaoi as support to your argument, firstly because these other yaoi have different context. You couldn't even provide enough examples to prove your point. Remember that yaoi Anti P.T.? He was saying the same things, but because he also wanted the sex, he agreed. Therefore, it becomes consensual, unlike in this case.
Finally, while he could still talk casually to the hyung, it doesn't nullify the rape that happened. Yes, he is used to rough sex, but that doesn't mean he didn't say stop in this particular instance. Yes he was scared becausecthis is the first time that the hyung slapped him. I would wager that this is also a dirst time where the hyung did not wait for his response and just went ahead to shove his thing "just because his lover got used to it."
The point is, no = rape. Everything else you mentioned is normalizing the situation.
There is a difference between hating a person and hating what a person did. Anyway it would seem to me that you are the one that can't get over this. I am not sure why though if you are the one insisting that it is not a personal attack.
Then wouldn't the MC said stop in the beginning rather than slow down if he doens't consent to it, and he wouldn't say "not yet".
Also I don't think that the hyung gets that rough with him because the MC got used to it rather he got worked up and jealous because he saw the MC riding some other guys car.
How about this, would you consider this rape?
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/if_you_re_gonna_plow_go_deep/uu/to_chapter-1/
Btw, you don't have to worry about me using this to justify real life since I am more of a VB. Lol
In this instance, the guy asked if he got lube and a condom. So there's a 'yes' at the start. Now if you look at the next part, he said 'stop' and 'there's no way that'll fit' so obviously that's a 'no'. Yes I've read this before and it is steamy, I admit. But that doesn't change the fact that he said no. Yaoi normalizes rape, but you should still be able to determine of the sex is consensual or not. The very definition of rape is that it is forced sex. So reading it to be normal in yaoi doesn't mean that it isn't rape.
Look at abuses in actual rape situations, sometimes, the girl or boy says yes at first. But they could become scared and reject the sex. Then it becomes rape if it is forced.
To confirm, you also consider this as rape? If that is the case then we have a different threshold in which is rape and which is considered rough sex. Not saying that you are wrong but to begin with, our axioms and definitions are inconsistent.
Although for this I think you wouldn't label the other guy as a rapist as you did in this topic. Hopefully you will remain enthusiastic in expressing your thoughts on the next events in this manhwa. Lol
For reference here are some that I considered rape.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/charming_scarface/uu/ibx_chapter-4/pg-3/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_guy_next_door_s_just_my_type/uu/iur_chapter-1/pg-22/
Well either way both this and the hyung/MC scenes are both hot as fuck. Hahahaha
I agree that we have different threshold in considering what is and what isn't rape.
Cheers mate :)
Basically what I understand from your statement is that MC has given his consent but rescinded it when he said "stop". Kindly correct me if I'm wrong. Btw if you like this manhwa you might also consider
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/saezuru_tori_wa_habatakanai/
The mentioned manga have just release an animation I recommend you to watch it, although it is quite messed up as well. Lol. Cheers!
Yep, though upon checking again, this might be considered a dubcon because of the unclear line bet his yes and no. The key the final yes or no for the penetration.
Also, just to be clear, I've checked my previous comments here and noted that I used the wrong word. The fallacy I was referring to should be "appeal to normality" instead of "gaslighting."
Thanks for sharing your recomm :). I've actually started reading this months ago because I really liked this manga from the same author (see link) because I really like heart-wrenching one-sided love stories which become mutual. And also because Saezuru has an anime which I want to watch after reading, but due to much isekais arriving I haven't had time and feel a bit daunted with how many chapters this manga contain.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/soredemo_yasashii_koi_o_suru/
Cheers mate! :)
You should watch the anime of Saezuru, although it miss some events in the manga I think the delivery of the story is quite something. Actually if you haven't read the manga yet, it is better to watch the anime (due to how they ended the anime).
I see :)
That's why I usually read the manga before the anime. Thanks!
Btw, you should read the "main" story first before the "side" story for better appreciation.
Main - http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/doushitemo_furetakunai/
Ohh I have read it already xD after the side story
The rapist has been erased. I repeat, the rapist has been erased.