Kirara, you deserve better. Ken, you're annoying as fuck.

Mafiimafii June 28, 2020 5:25 am

okay okay, hear me out I get that when he discovered with his brother that his father came out as gay and that he has a partner that may be surprising even for me! If I experienced that HOWEVER, later on he fell in love with Kirara and started to date to girls in order to forget Kirara but that didn't work well so then he became consious bout Kirara. I understand that admitting that you love someone even though you don't want that EVEN though you can't help it is hard but then he realized that he is in love with Kirara and even knowing that he stills treats him like TRASH!!! I hate that he is so violent not only with actions but with words. He tends to call him stupid all the times and I don't get why no one is complaining that, I mean calling the one that you love the most Stupid seems pretty bad to me. To be honest I keep reading this bc I wanna see the development of the others couples like the father's, their classmates and the brother but the main couple sucks. Tired the of toxic masculinity of Ken, even the brother accepted his father but Ken? He just keeps being a shitty brat who just does what he wants and doesn't think about the feelings of the others. Kirara you deserve better.

Responses
    Ankledestroyer69 June 28, 2020 8:17 am

    I’ll agree with you on the dad relationship. How can you not approve your dad’s relationship when he is now dating a guy as well?? Even if he wasn’t gay he should be more understanding. If the dad’s partner was a bad person then yes I get it but he’s actually nice and sweet and doesn’t deserve to be mistreated.

    Rose_Bloomer1 June 28, 2020 8:45 am

    This comment should actually have more likes than dislikes wtf. Some people who are ignoring this are probably fine with it because ken is good looking. That happens in most manga I read too. Some ignore the acts of others(only at times) because of their looks. Tell me I'm wrong but you know deep down it's true that you ignore it because they're hot. nGl tHo cAnT sAy I HavENt AhEM baKuGoU

    Perlita-chan June 28, 2020 9:58 am
    This comment should actually have more likes than dislikes wtf. Some people who are ignoring this are probably fine with it because ken is good looking. That happens in most manga I read too. Some ignore the ac... Rose_Bloomer1

    I simply disagreed with the idea that “you can’t call the one you love idiot,” becuz teasing and name calling is in fact a way of showing love in a childish sort of way becuz they aren’t used to being in love. I don’t really see the disingenuous I Ken towards Kirara. Ken has always been there for him and is always coming to his rescue. Ken isnt being a dick. His way of showing love is just very childish, and that’s okay becuz they are still teenagers. Ken and Kirara’s relationship very much reminded me of the fanfic relationship between Kageyama and Hinata from Haikyuu. It’s literally the same cuz Kags is always talking shit to Hinata but we all know it’s out of love and find it adorable. If you’re talking shit about Ken call Kirara stupid all the time, why aren’t you talking shit when it comes to all these other couples & ships that are the same? I honestly think the only reason there’s that dislike aspect towards their relationship is the toxic masculinity that I very much agree with. That whole moment when Ken’s brother was like “it’s better that Kirara is a boy than a girl” like that shit right there was overly Misogynistic and sexist that it honestly made me feel uncomfortable. As well as other moments where they all treat Kirara “like a girl” insinuating that girls can’t fight for themselves. But that’s unfortunately the current attitude in Japanese culture, and you can’t call a fault to that unless you’re Japanese so I’m not going to further argue about that. and I too also agree with the outrageously stupid double homophobic standard happening between Ken and his father. There seriously needs to be some closure in that or else I feel like this amazing manga will lose its value.

    Mafiimafii June 28, 2020 2:16 pm
    This comment should actually have more likes than dislikes wtf. Some people who are ignoring this are probably fine with it because ken is good looking. That happens in most manga I read too. Some ignore the ac... Rose_Bloomer1

    I was kinda expecting tons of dislikes XD and thank u, finally someone that understands me :(

    Mafiimafii June 28, 2020 2:38 pm

    Firstly, how do u know that I don't complain about other couples being like this? In fact, there is another couple in a manga written by the same author that pisses me off just as ken is, and is in Omairi desu yo.
    Secondly, are u serious about calling the one you love stupid? I'm not here to judge that HOWEVER, Ken calls him stupid in a very violent and rude way I may understand it if he calls him in a playful way but he DOESN'T do that. I get that at the beginning he was like rejecting his feelings towards him but now? they're dating!! it's not very appropriate. That tbh is the least thing that I dislike about him but it stills counts.
    Thirdly, he is very violent and jealous for about little things. He tends to hit Kirara too just for doing things that he thinks is not good!!! He just does whatever he wants most of the times and doesn't think about others.
    Fourthly, I kinda agree with you in the matter of the fact that they are just teenagers in a relationship so of course they will act childish however, that doesn't mean to be a shitty brat towards your partner. He just has a toxic masculinity act, at least his brother is accepting the fact that his father and his friend are gay but what does Ken do? nothing, he dated girls just because he wanted to forget bout kirara, he used those girls. He just says shitty things like I don't like boys just you or just treating his father's partner like a shitty person when he is so kind. Being jealous all the time etc. You have your opinion, I have mine. You can think whaterver you want but for me Ken is just a shitty and toxic character that doesn't think about others but himself. I hope he delvelops and changes for good but I don't think that will happen soon.

    Amorim June 28, 2020 7:37 pm

    are you not used to Japanese culture? There is a thing called a tsundere which is considered to be a cute type of contrary personality. Ken fits this perfectly. Kirara takes no offense to what he says because he knows he's only saying it to be contrary. Idk what y'all are seeing here but you should understand that that cultures differ in different countries and that affects romantic ideals.

    Mizuojima June 28, 2020 8:39 pm

    yesssh i agree with the one who on the top of this comment

    Mafiimafii June 28, 2020 9:53 pm
    are you not used to Japanese culture? There is a thing called a tsundere which is considered to be a cute type of contrary personality. Ken fits this perfectly. Kirara takes no offense to what he says because ... Amorim

    I'm pretty familiar with what tsundere is and knowing that that term is still a thing pisses me even more but I guess is their preference LOLOLOL I'm not here to argue more bc is a STORY. I was just expressing my opinion and I still think in that Ken needs to change his actions, his way of thinking and the way he behaves bc is not ok.

    Ankledestroyer69 June 29, 2020 8:09 am
    are you not used to Japanese culture? There is a thing called a tsundere which is considered to be a cute type of contrary personality. Ken fits this perfectly. Kirara takes no offense to what he says because ... Amorim

    I don't think there's a need to make it a cultural thing especially since these are stories that don't represent the reality of what Japanese culture is. Character behavior is often exaggerated to fit a type of character, in this case, a tsundere which is a term used to describe fictional characters primarily. I also don't blame OP for wanting to see more of Ken's warm side since we are in volume 6... not rushing the author or anything but I personally would want to see more of Ken's sweet side, and I thinking we're headed in that direction.

    Perlita-chan June 29, 2020 8:10 am
    I'm pretty familiar with what tsundere is and knowing that that term is still a thing pisses me even more but I guess is their preference LOLOLOL I'm not here to argue more bc is a STORY. I was just expressing ... Mafiimafii

    Well, don’t wanna piss you off any more, but if you’re aware that it’s just a fictional story in the end, then there’s no use to you complaining about it. Just let people enjoy it without shoving your opinions down others throats. It’s not like the people reading this are getting influenced by the story and condoning such actions in real life. If you can say your opinions, people who disagree are allowed to state theirs as well. And also, if the tsundere type pisses you off so much, then why don’t you just stop reading stories like that and just drop the manga? It’s really not that hard ma dude

    Perlita-chan June 29, 2020 8:17 am
    I don't think there's a need to make it a cultural thing especially since these are stories that don't represent the reality of what Japanese culture is. Character behavior is often exaggerated to fit a type of... Ankledestroyer69

    It’s not really about making it a cultural thing because it is a cultural thing. The tsundere trope is in fact Japanese. It is a character trope from Japan and is mainly found in various other Asian forms of media. It’s not necessarily describing a culture per say. It’s something that was birthed from a culture. You don’t typically see tsundere characters in American media nor in European media, nor in African, nor in Latin America. The “tsundere” is 99% of the time found in Asian media. So adding in a cultural argument to this is still very much valid

    Ankledestroyer69 June 29, 2020 9:14 am
    It’s not really about making it a cultural thing because it is a cultural thing. The tsundere trope is in fact Japanese. It is a character trope from Japan and is mainly found in various other Asian forms of ... Perlita-chan

    Of course, it's originated from Japan and it's used in manga and anime among other forms of media, what I meant is that I don't agree with saying that the way relationships or behavior presented in these forms of media is accurate with real-life relationships. That's what I understood from the message but I could've interpreted wrong then my bad and I take back my reply.

    Mafiimafii June 29, 2020 4:32 pm
    Well, don’t wanna piss you off any more, but if you’re aware that it’s just a fictional story in the end, then there’s no use to you complaining about it. Just let people enjoy it without shoving your o... Perlita-chan

    I already said why I'm still reading it on the other comment LOL and why is a problem that I want ken's behaviour changes for good? I've already said that I have my opinion you have yours so lets keep that, okay? My god, this is the problem when you express your opinion but okay I'm done.

    Perlita-chan June 30, 2020 8:20 am
    I already said why I'm still reading it on the other comment LOL and why is a problem that I want ken's behaviour changes for good? I've already said that I have my opinion you have yours so lets keep that, oka... Mafiimafii

    I understand that and did read your comments. I was just stating that don’t complain about hating a manga trope when you can easily stray away from it, and might I add that it’s even more hypocritical to complain about it if you’re actively reading it, even if you are reading it for the sake of earning character development. Also, like I said in different words, you’re bound to get opposing replies to your opinions regardless of what your opinion is and you shouldn’t complain about it. If you can’t handle it, then don’t bother commenting your opinions. There’s no need to get so defensive about it.

    Perlita-chan June 30, 2020 8:21 am
    I already said why I'm still reading it on the other comment LOL and why is a problem that I want ken's behaviour changes for good? I've already said that I have my opinion you have yours so lets keep that, oka... Mafiimafii

    Also, no one said it was a bad thing that you wanted Ken’s behavior to change. Don’t spin the narrative here

    Mafiimafii June 30, 2020 3:09 pm
    I understand that and did read your comments. I was just stating that don’t complain about hating a manga trope when you can easily stray away from it, and might I add that it’s even more hypocritical to co... Perlita-chan

    Mygoddd, I don't hate ittt I just said that it pisses me off Ken's actitude towards kirara! but I still enjoy reading this manga!! Why do I would stop reading it just bc I dislike the actitude of one character? I Iove this author and I think her stories are very interesting so stoping reading it might be stupid LOLOLOL and why tf is hypocrital to complain when I am an active reader?LOLOLOL I have the total rights to complain anything bc I am a READER, I can express any opinion even if it's wrong or controversial like this one Hahaha. And about the comments, I'm totally aware that I can have negative replies bc my opinion , what I said was about "this is the problem when you express your opinion" I was refering to in the way of defending your favourite side of anything and not seeing the reality of things! I'm totally aware that I can have replies or else I wouldn't have bothered to comment on here LOL
    Now that I think, this is a story and Ken is a stundere and Is useless to complain 'bout them however I have seen stunderes changing actitudes towards the end of their story and that's what I'm expecting from this. Listen, I might sounded like I was angry or something like that, but that wasn't the case at all. Like I said i have my reasons to not like a character I have my convictions and I still state what I said previously. If you don't agree I'm totally okay with that, every person is different however I have the rights to defend and argue about my opinions that's why they are called personal opinions am I right? I will still be reading this, I hope in the future Ken changes at least his violent side, I can handle the stundere talking shit but the violent side not too much (=・ω・=)

    Mafiimafii June 30, 2020 3:14 pm
    Also, no one said it was a bad thing that you wanted Ken’s behavior to change. Don’t spin the narrative here Perlita-chan

    and now I'm seeing that I spelled tsundere as stundere LOLOLOL so embarrasing but the I correct myself I guess

    blueninja89 July 11, 2020 2:39 pm
    I’ll agree with you on the dad relationship. How can you not approve your dad’s relationship when he is now dating a guy as well?? Even if he wasn’t gay he should be more understanding. If the dad’s par... Ankledestroyer69

    I read for kirara only I absolute hate Ken. He’s fucking awful.