This is weird

Tenpura July 5, 2020 2:03 am

Is anyone else bothered by how shes like 12 and hes 27?? Like I know this was normal back then, but there’s a reason this isn’t socially/morally acceptable anymore. I don’t know why people keep making these light hearted stories with this weird ass dynamic between the lead characters.

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    iamb July 5, 2020 4:36 am

    But they're not doing anything.. he's more like her guardian..it's political.. and I think BECAUSE this story will have modern aesthetics, they probably won't have a romance until she's much older.. I don't know if I can wait that long personally

    Elaphae July 5, 2020 5:39 am

    yeah, that. grosses me out... When he was like "you're my wife" I so hoped that she would say "How can you called someone you married when she was seven months old. your wife? How can you call a 12 years old girl your wife when you're almost 30?"

    And thought, the FL accepts it all so easily... If it where me, I would throw a fit. Twelve years old again? Married to a man I don't know? What the living fuck? And here she is "I want to be a good consort!!" Why? Doesn't she have anything she wants to do for herself?

    iamb July 5, 2020 6:03 am
    yeah, that. grosses me out... When he was like "you're my wife" I so hoped that she would say "How can you called someone you married when she was seven months old. your wife? How can you call a 12 years old gi... Elaphae

    I don't think it's fair to expect the modern way of thinking and modern behaviors to be adhered to in historical stories. Even if they are not accurate historically, they still are world building their story where women ( sadly) do not have the same rights we have today. Engagements from birth, young brides are part of world history. There are still places in the world where women aren't allowed to hold a job, or have basic rights many other women in the world do. I understand that it rankles, but honestly , what's exactly the point of historical stories if they only thing that is different is the clothes they wear? There is an obstacle built into this particular story, her marriage is arranged since birth for political reasons. She is not brainwashed by this world but has to find a way to live in it. *That's* what this story is about, not pedophilia. As of right now in the story, her 'husband' is more of a guardian than anything.

    Elaphae July 5, 2020 6:48 am
    I don't think it's fair to expect the modern way of thinking and modern behaviors to be adhered to in historical stories. Even if they are not accurate historically, they still are world building their story wh... iamb

    Yeah you're right... But what use of using reincarnation if the FL is going to accept the sexism of this world like it is completely nothing? I mean, she didn't get brainwashed as you said. She came from a world where she could do all the shit she wants by herself and now, she is thrown into a world where her gender has already decided of her destiny? She should be losing her shit instead of being all "I want to be a good consooooort".

    And thought, I wouldn't have any problem with the engagement if it was part of the plot as an obstacle or something she needs to work on. But here, it is just written as a convenient way for the author (whom I suspect to have some lolicon tendencies) to write a love story about a 12 years old girl and a 27 years old man. (And the way he is depicted sounds too perfect, almost as if it was the actual fantasy of a perfect man for the author.)

    We'll see if I am right. But if I am and if we see any kind of romance without her being a grown-up, mangago should put the lolicon tag on it.

    I could even go further ahead and say that this is not a coincidence that the soul is 33 years old already. First, it would be a way to justifie any kind of love interaction, cause you know she is supposedly to be older than him. Secondly, it wouldn't be surprising that the author herself was of this age when she wrote that manga. I suspect it to be her fantasy of a perfect world, with a perfect husband and the perfect face (aka a 12years old girlish face)

    If it is true, she didn't give a flying fuck about politics in her story and this manga is just her lolicon fantasm.

    Aurinne July 5, 2020 7:40 am

    There are a number of things about these stories where they reincarnate/transmigrate to a completely made-up world that make me wonder why they choose to keep particular "historically accurate" parts of the story that unnecessarily force the MC into situations and behaviour that doesn't match modern values, when you know that otherwise they're just gonna write whatever kind of idealistic stuff they like. It always feels a bit off that a modern person would go "Oh, let's add this backwards idea in IT'LL BE FUN, RIGHT?"

    I'm not talking about the historical ideas they borrow because they've genuinely developed an interesting story around the specific idea. I'm talking about the things like childhood marriage and multiple wives/concubines (this is even worse when it's added to European-based worlds) that just feel a bit lazy. And the MC just accepts it.

    Anyway, so far this one seems like the ML is only thinking about their future and not about any current romance. Plus, the age-gap does solve another thing that I'm sometimes uncomfortable with, which is when an adult-turned-child develops a romance with someone the same age as their new child self, even though they're mentally 20 years older. At least their mental ages in this one are more aligned.

    Aurinne July 5, 2020 7:43 am
    There are a number of things about these stories where they reincarnate/transmigrate to a completely made-up world that make me wonder why they choose to keep particular "historically accurate" parts of the sto... Aurinne

    (And I'm not saying that all stories with these elements are bad, either! I just mean that sometimes they feel put in for no good reason other than unoriginality and they detract from the story either by making it less appealing, more mundane, or unnecessarily forcing the MC into very old-fashioned goals - like getting a husband.)

    yaoifan4life_05 July 5, 2020 7:44 am

    it is but back then it was normal to get married at such young ages and if u think about it she is 42 actually soooo...... it's not that weird

    Tenpura July 5, 2020 7:49 am
    But they're not doing anything.. he's more like her guardian..it's political.. and I think BECAUSE this story will have modern aesthetics, they probably won't have a romance until she's much older.. I don't kno... iamb

    There are plenty of other historical webtoons like this where the FL gets stuck in a situation like this and does whatever she can to show that she is repulsed and does not want that life. I don’t see why someone would want to make a story about a child and an adult.

    Just because its a historical manga, does not mean a child being married off to an adult should be romanticized. There is nothing wrong with writing a story about child marriage as long as it’s not romanticized. And if it is, it just shows that the author fetishizes that kind of thing.

    At this point, even if they do end up together it’ll just be really weird because he’ll be grooming her for years. There’s a reason why society no longer sees child marriage as an acceptable thing. Therefore, we should not accept stories that romanticize those kinds of relationships just because its supposed to be a historical story. This isn’t even a story based on real history, it just has history elements so they could leave out the child marriage.

    Also, the fact that you said you might not be able to wait until shes an adult for the romance to start- yikes dude.

    Tenpura July 5, 2020 7:53 am
    it is but back then it was normal to get married at such young ages and if u think about it she is 42 actually soooo...... it's not that weird yaoifan4life_05

    Stop romanticizing historical based mangas about children and adult relationships because it was normal at that time. Its not normal now so we shouldnt continue to write stories that romanticize it. Also shes still in a child’s body even if shes 42 or whatever. That’s literally just the authors excuse for it to be okay to have a romance between the FL who is in the BODY of a 12 year old an the ML whos 27.

    yaoifan4life_05 July 5, 2020 7:57 am
    Stop romanticizing historical based mangas about children and adult relationships because it was normal at that time. Its not normal now so we shouldnt continue to write stories that romanticize it. Also shes s... Tenpura

    U know what im gonna be nice to u but i have to say i disagree i pretty sure there not gonna get married until the girl becomes of age( ofc) but your too stupid to notice that apparently... i just wasted my time and energy on u i hope u are happy

    Tenpura July 5, 2020 7:58 am
    (And I'm not saying that all stories with these elements are bad, either! I just mean that sometimes they feel put in for no good reason other than unoriginality and they detract from the story either by making... Aurinne

    Yea I totally agree. I just dont see why the author couldnt have had the FL reincarnate into an adult. Its just kind of weird to me that she made this very odd decision of making her a child whos forced to marry an adult. Like why even write a story like that unless the FL is going to fight against it and try to live her own life?

    Tenpura July 5, 2020 8:07 am
    U know what im gonna be nice to u but i have to say i disagree i pretty sure there not gonna get married until the girl becomes of age( ofc) but your too stupid to notice that apparently... i just wasted my tim... yaoifan4life_05

    They literally call her princess. She refers to herself as his consort and so does he. Definition of consort: a wife, husband, or companion, in particular the spouse of a reigning monarch. He refers to her as his wife sometimes too like?? Please work on your reading comprehension skills before you call someone else stupid for not jumping to the same assumptions as you :).

    yaoifan4life_05 July 5, 2020 10:51 am
    They literally call her princess. She refers to herself as his consort and so does he. Definition of consort: a wife, husband, or companion, in particular the spouse of a reigning monarch. He refers to her as h... Tenpura

    look here bitch i can read your the one who needs to chill i don't have time for your petty ass attitude so go sit down and shut the fuck up no one cares about the age it just a comic so SHUT THE FUCK UP U DUMB BITCH with that funky ass attitude

    yaoifan4life_05 July 5, 2020 10:55 am
    They literally call her princess. She refers to herself as his consort and so does he. Definition of consort: a wife, husband, or companion, in particular the spouse of a reigning monarch. He refers to her as h... Tenpura

    oh and just b/c she's called a consort doesn't mean there married yet she is his wife but did i don't remember seeing the wedding do u

    shiiro July 5, 2020 12:43 pm

    Yup it’s fkn weird. If she was ateast close to being an adult, I could maybe understand the political marriage aspect but tf she’s literally not even half his age he was a full ass adult when she was borb

    Tenpura July 5, 2020 5:14 pm
    look here bitch i can read your the one who needs to chill i don't have time for your petty ass attitude so go sit down and shut the fuck up no one cares about the age it just a comic so SHUT THE FUCK UP U DUMB... yaoifan4life_05

    Girl, you’re the one calling me stupid and cussing and shit. You need to calm down. Even if they aren’t married yet shes still his fiance and he treats her like a wife and she tries to act like a wife. So how about, you, who commented on MY post, move on with your nasty ass attitude. I simply refuted your first comment where you began to insult me for no reason and made assumptions. It’s sad how you not only have terrible reading comprehension skills but then you feel the need to insult someone after they refute a statement you made.

    Tenpura July 5, 2020 5:15 pm
    Yup it’s fkn weird. If she was ateast close to being an adult, I could maybe understand the political marriage aspect but tf she’s literally not even half his age he was a full ass adult when she was borb shiiro

    Exactly like what was the point of doing that??

    Rebeca July 5, 2020 6:12 pm

    I don t want to get into an argument with anyone, but they are not married just jet. Only when she is off age it is mentioned in the story as well. And if she is off age an adult in other words than is it not totally usless to argue about their age difference? I mean in real world there are young women who marries men old enough to be their grandpa for money or other reasons. Also I believe there are some of you whoes parents age gap are 9 or more years. Then what is so wrong with a 15 year age difference? Just becouse they are promised to each other from a young age? And the ml was 15 when she was promised to him. Where is that an adult for you all? I think it is pretty much a child. And since it does not have much chapter I won t say anything about the main characters, because there are some things that are mentioned but still unexplained so I am waiting for at least until thoes are explained to form an opinion.
    One last thing all of the things you complain about was mentioned in the summary of the manga so what are you so unstatisfied about if you read the summary you should have been prepared for it.
    And congrats for thoes hwo read my comment until the end, it became pretty long.
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    iamb July 5, 2020 6:17 pm
    I don t want to get into an argument with anyone, but they are not married just jet. Only when she is off age it is mentioned in the story as well. And if she is off age an adult in other words than is it not t... Rebeca

    I agree completely with everything you said!

    iamb July 5, 2020 6:27 pm
    There are plenty of other historical webtoons like this where the FL gets stuck in a situation like this and does whatever she can to show that she is repulsed and does not want that life. I don’t see why som... Tenpura

    First, just because there are lots of stories where the heroine 'does whatever she can' , should all stories be that way? Can't each author decide their own story?
    Second, she is promised at birth, this story so far has him watching over her, quite often from afar for a great deal of the time. I don't find that 'romanticizing'.
    Third, has he been 'grooming' her or watching over her for her protection? We see it differently.
    Fourth, just because it's not based on a true story or real history, it's up to the author to 'world build'.. It's not the readers who get to decide what they should write or how the story should go. Basically, if the reader doesn't like that kind of thing why'd they pick it up? Which brings me to, it was in the synopsis, why did you continue to read?
    Finally, what I meant was, to me, this is obviously a respectful story where nothing will really happen between them until she is of age.. That could be 150 chapters of her learning to live in those times, and that will bore me. I am in no rush to see a romance between a child and an adult, but rather for her to grow up faster in the story. Their true age gaps when adults will not be a big deal.. I think truly the people who need to get their minds out of the gutter are people seeing something that isn't happening in the story.