I can understand what you mean and where you are coming from. Tho I think the tan chara wanted to be uke, so I wouldn’t really say it’s forced. But if it’s in the implication of the authors making it like that, having him be the uke which is “forced” (idk if I would use that word tho) that I can understand your meaning. But it doesn’t mean that they have to top cuz they’re an alpha, same with an omega wanting to top and not bottom. And besides I don’t think it was decided that the tan wanted to be bottom forever, I just think he wanted to bottom then? Unless the author comes out and says it. And saying being alpha goes against that person nature and gender of being the stereotypical omega role, is kinda harsh. The basic knowledge fact may elude to that but the author has free reign to like do whatever, esp if they make their alphas the ability to be pregnant, which is not typical in other abo. And since he gave birth I think being the nuture and caregiver just came automatic, like how most mothers are when they give birth
I say forced because the dark skinned never wanted to bottom to begin with when we read their original plot. He just did because of his harpy mother in law and wanting to prove he was willing to make the marriage work. Later he became fine with it but he originally wanted to top just as much. And I’m not trying to look down on being a caregiver or being submissive that shouldn’t define a person, my issue is in yaoi it’s nothing more than male version of female wish fulfillment so unfortunately being an “uke” isn’t just a role but a personality, character motivation, etc and that role can often times dictate a character’s entire contribution to the narrative. It ends up defining them. Given it’s fictional it’s not necessarily a big deal but it reinforces stereotypes of gay/bisexual men being asked “who’s the women” in the relationship and just making a relationship that by definition not heterosexual, heteronormative.
Oh yea I totally agree with your point and that is true. In my opinion I wouldn’t say he was forced into it in the original story, like yea there was pressure but from what I remember the seme was totally fine being the uke and the mother didn’t mind, it was just the uke was Not into males and into females. Throughout the manga it was him exploring and taking into consideration of being the bottom because he was so against it at first. That psychologist def had a huge part of it. So I feel it was more like... he accepted being the uke at the end and doesn’t mind it and the seme was totally up to being the uke if the tan guy wanted to. I also disagree with often times being the uke/seme dictates a chara entire contribution, I feel like that is the case with a lot of pwp smut but with actual stories I wouldn’t say it’s true (I would say some yes tho, not gonna deny). Like there’s the plot, and then the occasional (or frequent) smut. But I feel our opinions differ in these areas.
You last sentence I totally agree 100% it does give implication of that. And honestly I wouldn’t even limit to yaoi manga it’s like in a lot of movies and shows that depicts homosexual couples, all around the world.
I knew it's gonna end like that. It's yaoi. Switching is some forbidden concept. At best author can tease you with it. And that's it.
There are always excuses. Oh he now likes bottoming and he accepted that and the "seme" wants to bottom... But now uke doesn't want to. It's laughable for me.
It's absurd that now their positions in bed are set in the stone. What does it mean he accepted being an uke. For me it's so hilarious.
I'm so tired with uke/seme dynamics in yaoi.
I also don't see alpha x alpha pairings appeal. I believed they are gonna be groundbreaking. Finally we will get hot sex scene, them fighting for "dominance", switching. But no. In the end it's the most classic seme/uke dynamic.
"uke” isn’t just a role but a personality, character motivation, etc and that role can often times dictate a character’s entire contribution to the narrative. It ends up defining them" - this. One of the biggest issues in yaoi for me. Sometimes I don't even know why I'm still reading it. For few gems?
Not gonna disagree because I agree with the whole uke/seme thing. When I meant he accepted being uke, I was actually explaining the original story because he was so against it at first but then he accepted it at the end cuz he’s done a lot of exploring. He also had a difficult time toping a male cuz.. he was into girls lol. Never said he was an uke forever, just that he accepted to be an uke sometimes (assuming then that they were gonna switch in the original story)
That’s.. what I meant not tryna imply that he accepted being an uke forever, but I can where the confusion came.
Anyway, I know a series of manga that’s really interesting and like... unique, in terms of story and art style. The first volume shows an couple that switches, so if you’d like, I suggest to go and read. It also showcases people who are top and bottom too!
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kuma_to_interi/ (shows a switch couple)
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/aru_to_neri_to_sono_shuuhen/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/amato_amaro/
Oh thanks. I thought I've read everything but I don't recall these stories. I'm going to look them up definitely!
I'm just tired. Authors often tease with switching idea... But never deliver. I hoped alpha x alpha stories are going to be something refreshing... But they also fall in the stereotypies. Which is such a waste...
Honestly.. yea not gonna lie they do, which is extremely tiring so I understand the frustration! I feel that a lot in terms of tan charas or “ugly/plain charas” That’s are portrayed in a certain way which is tiring.
Tell me how you like the stories. The plot is really interesting and unique, and it’s not based on smut but there is smut. :)
I’m not even surprised that the author cop outed with that alpha x alpha couple from her previous story. Dark skinned was the bottom and was promised to top when they had their next child but now he’s the bottom forever despite all the grief he went through just to appease a partner who never made any compromises of his own. What’s the point of an alpha x alpha couple if they’re not going to switch on occasion and ones forced to take on the role of “omega” caregiver and submissive if that goes against the very nature of that individual’s gender and even personality in this case. Why is there always a forced bottom and top role?