I’m literally over redeeming fuckboy plots. Who cares if you have mommy and daddy issue...

Preachhhhhh!

I don't get your annoyance over this - you haven't even seen any of his supposed redemption. People enjoy redemption stories because all of us are pieces of shit too and it's nice to see people change for the better.

Everyone’s saying the second couple is more interesting because what their story is more complicated? What’s complicated about your standard rich pretty boy who’s magically a better person for falling in love?That’s literally the go to plot of every teenage girl living in a fairy tale. At the first couple actually has mental health, communication, and personal development themes that are actually representative of its readers and you can actually connect to.

There’s literally nothing wrong with that. It’s just super annoying every single plot utilizes this exact premise of toxic person falls in love and that’s literally all it takes to make them a better person. I don’t even have to read this plot to know this formula. It’s quite worrisome because this is the exact narrative that used for actual abusive relationships. If pop culture and media constantly feeds this narrative as romantic it becomes internalized and seen as aspirational. Watch any film, read any book, flip through any comic and this trope always ends the same, but it’s not even remotely true.

The first couple resolved in a refreshing way, which is why I'm not going to just jump to conclusions. I'm hoping the author will surprise me again. Also I think that if you are referring to fictional romance stories for real world relationship guidance, that's a you problem. (The "you" being general -not saying YOU specifically do this). The idea that you can fix anyone with "love" is a much deeper seated problem than just "oh I saw it in a novel", you know.

"all of us are pieces of shit", that's a really bold assumption which isn't true, some of us were raised right  ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 

Well....
For someone who dun believe that “good” person dun actually exist, I say no
I mean just becoz someone is not doing anything wrong doesn’t mean they would not do something bad in certain situation

Being good or bad ( pieces of shit ) will always be vague
For me just becoz some ppl do good things all the time doesn’t mean they will not do horrible things
We will never know

It’s like how things comes out when ppl who donates a lot to charity ends up being shitty person
It’s just the good person we know now may not have their flaws exposed yet
Or they are all long gone to check what they did

Sorry for the ted talk it’s just what I think ppl look at so shallowly
There are of course better ppl and worse ppl

Life is kinda unfair
From what u’re saying “ raised right”, it means people with bad family are going to bad people?
And even if they are not raised right, I dun think it’s right to blame ppl for that

i dont think hes a good person, but i am drawn to the second couple because of how different they are from each other. also, painter of the night made me able to tolerate assholes in an unhealthy way loool

I don't mind bad guys I mind when their redeemed through love and not held accountable for the harm they've done to others. We'll be lucky if he even says the words "i'm sorry" to his step-brother I'm sure. Most likely it'll just be an implied thing when they're not at each other's throats. Lol and that's a different level of fuckboy redemption i wont' even touch POTN because of how grossed out i am by the romanticized Stockholm Syndrome and rape but to each their own.

I fucking love you!!!! ur a queen, wish this cute suicidal boy would get another love interest but of course the good ones get the assholes that are only "good" to them only with a shitty backstory type a beat (╬￣皿￣)凸

and I adore the first couple too <3 they on sum good shit, you a got a new follower uwu!

at the end of the day you're right people are complex and contradictory. but i'm of the opinion a person should be judged by their actions within context. It doesn't excuse or condone their actions, but it allows us to possibly understand them. We do however need to stop with these narratives of because so and so happened it's to be expected that so and so action transpired. Which isn't always true. An example given our trying times is say president Thomas Jefferson, the man who helped built the United States. He's well respected for intellect and desire fort the freedom of the American people. Yet, he owned slaves, and raped and fathered children with the black half sister of his wife. Children he kept in slavery until his very death.While his hundreds of others slaves remained in servitude. We acknowledge the good he did but also the evils he contributed. He is not a hero, but was capable of heroic things, so we shouldn't praise him for doing one good deed as being enough to absolve him of his ghastly deeds. This is how we actually humanize people not rewrite narratives about them through simple explanation of their character.

i absolutely love how you put this... there really is a lot of things lacking with the way they deal with characters who've been problematic. one place ive seen it done right is in the webtoon "on or off". the ceo treated the other lead so poorly but later on owned up to the shitty things he did... but even then i forget if there was a clear apology

lol the irony of BJ Alex updates right after i make this post.

he does apologize which is why i love the plot.

lol you're too sweet.

Thanks, my memory has gone to shit but i knew that I loved that webtoon for a reason

i don't know how but somehow the responses to this were deleted?

nvm they're back. this site is so weird.

No one is perfect, which in today's world means you're a piece of shit! It was an exaggeration, don't be pressed over it!