I’m not a fan of what happened but I also realize this is FICTION people. Was the rape w...

Hm no maybe I don’t have the full picture but from what you said moving on with just an apology is very toxic in my opinion. The actual problem is not solved its just covered with feelings at the time, after enough time the problem comes back(could be directly about the rape or communicated through another problem in the relationship) and it’s to late to go and fix the now underlying problem from the past. Idk I always thought of toxicity as poison and that problem looks poisonous enough. Also the relationship being a bit fluffy at the beginning doesn’t mean it wasn’t corroded already... like how Naruse didn’t say he was in a relationship, isn’t that a normal thing for two people in a relationship to say? Although it is somewhat less intense than toxic stuff that sometimes happens, I still think it’s a problem. And also you can’t have one part of the relationship be toxic and the other not like he got raped. Even if you don’t think the relationship was toxic before it definitely is now. No fighting about that

Seriously ignorant is such a derogatory word (lol words?) When you were acting all patronising? While spreading really harmful opinions?
Because their relationship can be totally considered toxic.

But once again we had non-consensual scene. Literally in the newest chapter. It's not some simple argument. The guy was saying stop, it hurts, he doesn't want to and his beloved partner stopped only when he was kicked forcefully.
You literally portrayed rape as normal issues in your first post. Smh

The fact that I deleted my paragraph Tch. I get a better understanding now, your first comment definitely was not correct but I think you progressed maybe idk???? You’re saying that the rape was wrong? Okay, Well the way I understand it is that there can’t just be one toxic part of the relationship that’s just a whole toxic relationship even if the partner does something good in the relationship IT IS still toxic it really doesn’t matter in the end. There IS that underlying problem that asumi did it knowing what he was doing that’s a problem right there. Idk they both seem messed up and have problems like with Naruse not being straight up saying he was with asumi (that I it’s own comes with a boat load of problems) and asumi RAPING HIM uGh idk it is a manga yk

Oop welp it didn’t delete forget about this paragraph I didn’t read yours properly and misunderstood tears

No. The problem we are arguing is not the rape issue. Like I said earlier, I can never excuse that and they did talk it out in a way because Asumi apologized for it. It’s about Mr. Naruse apologizing for going drinking with Yanagi after being warned not to. Personally, I wished Asumi would give him the silent treatment but given his personality and love for Mr. Naruse, I can’t blame him for not dragging it out and forgiving him after he apologized.
Also, Mr. Naruse not clarifying his relationship with Asumi is just him not being courageous because he wasn’t gay to start with and because he doesn’t really know Yanagi. Remember he did confirm his feelings to his friend, Mr. Yui and unlike Asumi who is quite outspoken about his feelings, Mr. Naruse has some self esteem issues which Asumi is helping him to work on. That’s why I don’t consider their relationship toxic.
Yes, they have some underlying issues to work on and I just consider them normal relationship drama and misunderstandings that people in relationships will have and it’s not going so far as to harm each other physically and/or emotionally, which is what I consider toxic based on the definition.

Yes. I do consider it as derogatory and yes, I did sound patronizing because I don’t want to continue going back and forth on an issue. And for the umpteenth time, I never said the rape was normal and I can’t be held responsible if you misunderstood my statement so by all means, run with it if it helps you feel good with yourself.

Hm okeyyyyyy hehe I understand idk how you typed all that that fast but damn oh and idk I think it was the way that asumi approached Naruse That bugged tf outta me I guess he grew a little but after this I don’t have anything more for him tch oh also with the other person idk wtf is going on but sounds like they’re mad and I think that might be cause you came with like level 10 aggression and are now at level 1 so ykkkkk

Now we are heading somewhere. I did say from the onset that I never excused the rape. Like I said earlier, I was even dragging him for continuing to sexually harass Mr. Naruse when he first started working there and I only continued reading because I have watched the anime and the harassment wasn’t dragged out like it was here.
By definition, a toxic relationship is a relationship characterized by behaviors on the part of the toxic partner that are emotionally and, not infrequently, physically damaging to their partner.
I do believe they have issues they need to trash out in their relationship, just like any other relationship, but I can’t ignore the fact that they both do well to talk it out when necessary, just like Asumi telling Mr. Naruse about his feelings and Mr. Naruse doing the same thing and granting consent BEFORE they finally had sex.

Now, the issue of Mr. Naruse not admitting that he is in a relationship is very annoying, which the earlier post stated and I also agree with that, but I don’t think it’s enough to call it toxic because of that as well. Giving Mr. Naruse’s personality, we can’t expect him to come out the closet to Yanagi by admitting to having a lover because he isn’t exactly comfortable with him but he did come out to his friend, Mr. Yui. Asumi, unlike Mr. Naruse, did not hesitate to admit to his friend, Takano, when he figured out that his lover was a guy because he naturally is someone who does not shy away from stuff like that.
They are working on their relationship gradually and I can’t dismiss their efforts by calling the relationship toxic when it’s clear that they are working on it because from the previous issues they have trashed out, it never just ends with an apology. Asumi has also done a lot to make Mr. Naruse more confident and happy, which Mr. Yui also attested to.

There is no perfect relationship but it is healthy enough.
“A healthy relationship contributes to our self-esteem and emotional energy, a toxic relationship damages self-esteem and drains energy. A healthy relationship involves mutual caring, respect, and compassion, an interest in our partner’s welfare and growth, an ability to share control and decision-making, in short, a shared desire for each other’s happiness.” These good qualities mentioned are evident in this relationship when you compare them.

It’s quite a shame that rape is something most authors always find a way to chip into almost every yaoi manga and it’s something we have to endure and for someone like me, I just drop the story if it gets too much to bear. For most of them, they just move on like nothing happened and I didn’t see that happening here.
The sexual harassment at the beginning chapters were so senseless and uncalled for but I was happy when Asumi admitted to have been wrong from the onset; apologized for harassing Mr. Naruse; and promised to not have sex with him without his consent.
There is always some extra work being done to make up for their shortcomings and I don’t know what will happen in the following chapters because we still have almost 30 chapters to go but dismissing the relationship as toxic after reading so far, I don’t think it’s fair to them.

I don’t know if you get the point I’m trying to make.

Lmao! Yeah. The beginning of the story really pissed me off but when I watched the anime, it did show assault but not this detailed so that kept me going cos I know the good part was coming.
As for the other person, like I said, I’m just trying to get out of the conversation peacefully cos I really should have minded my business if I knew they would take my reply the wrong way. I was only trying to tell them to get the proper definition of toxic before dismissing the entire relationship but I guess they didn’t like that.
I’m just gonna try my best to be civil, as long as they keep the same energy.

P.S. I type extremely fast and type as I think cos I have trigger fingers

I will quote "This relationship is not toxic, please. Do you even know the meaning of toxic? They are just having issues in their relationship like a normal couple and you say it is toxic"
You wrote it just after release of the chapter with NO CONSENSUAL SCENE.

Well if not toxic then definitely problematic ig I think it’s cause of the yk “normal” first step I a relationship is the names but I get this isn’t really a normal relationship to begin with phff. I always thought that naruses issues were carried over from his past relationship (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ Idk I feel like that was to big of a fuck up... for me. I’d rather see them end it, just sounds better sorta phff. But it’s a Yaoi what am I expecting to get. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me

And I wrote that because I was talking about them having a fight because of what Mr. Naruse did. He also did defend himself against Asumi so I can’t say anything on that because I haven’t read the consecutive chapters.
I also don’t want to comment on this rape issue because I already told you where I stand on the rape issue and your quote cannot even point to me condoling rape. So, if you are going to deliberately act like you haven’t read all the things I wrote based on the rape issue, then I guess this conversation is over.
And yes, this is me being condescending. Take it however you will.

What horrible Naruse did? He had all the right to meet with whomever he want (and he genuinely thought it was a normal meeting between colleagues) and he had all the right not to share his private information.

How can't you say anything on that? It was literally attempted rape and non-con. Next chapters won't change that fact.

And relationship based on rape, where the partner after some time attempts another rape because he is angry with his lover is toxic no matter how much you want to pretend it's not.

Like the person he supposedly love is saying no, that it hurts, stop etc and he didn't stop himself. No, he was stopped.

Well, he did carry those issues from his marriage. Mr. Yui already explained to Asumi that Mr. Naruse is like that because he had a bad marriage. Which is why he told Asumi to leave him alone if he doesn’t really care about him.
They are slowly working on it and Asumi is really helping him out a lot. I can’t say anything more about that relationship because it’s up to 75 chapters and if the problems still persist until the 75th chapter, then I can admit that they have issues. It’s like meeting someone with baggage and you either help them carry or lighten the burden. What Asumi is doing is help him carry, lighten and maybe even offload the baggage. Which is why I don’t want to use the word “toxic” for their relationship.

I have read some mangas with happy endings and I still consider the relationship toxic and I offered to recommend it to that someone so they can see the difference and maybe correct me if I’m wrong.

I believe I already ended our conversation cos you keep hammering on what I did NOT say. So bye.

Lol. You really need to invest in a dictionary because I can’t do this with you anymore. I’m at my limit here. Take care

Once again "They are just having issues in their relationship like a normal couple and you say it is toxic.". Enlighten me how the fresh non-con scene can be classified as just issues and normal.

"He also did defend himself against Asumi so I can’t say anything on that because I haven’t read the consecutive chapters. " How next chapters will change the fact it was non-con and attempted rape?

Yeah ig I don’t know maybe in the past I could say that their relationship in a way benefited more than it took away but now yeah asumi kinda messed all that up. Also the way they low key suck at communicating ╮(￣▽￣)╭ sounds like a lot more baggage was just added on

Which is why the word you used, “problematic”, was it? Is more applicable in this matter. Toxic would mean that it does either or both of them more harm than good and that is not the case. Their relationship does have its fair share of problems, maybe more than some other relationships and definitions fewer than some other relationships as well. Their relationship has also improved Ichika’s life somehow and I hope to see more improvement in the latter chapters, but with the “lesson” that Asumi tried to teach Mr. Naruse, I don’t know how to go from here but as usual, it’s yaoi and most authors would die if they don’t add such unnecessary details to their stories.
Stuff like this do happen in real life sometimes though, and it’s good that people are being a lot more enlightened about them. I hope to read more yaoi stories with no sexual assault in them because it sometimes take away from the general message they are trying to pass across.