Could you hand him over to the bloody cops?? Yeahyeah, he's part of the show, but what he ...

I have to disagree, he didn't understand the situation. Remember how he talked with Takeru about how, over time when he left, he realized Takeru's feelings for him? Takeru wasn't paying attention and reacted positively to it (Takeru was happy and smiling/blushing because Chouji just texted him, but Matsuzaka thought he was happy about what he was saying to Takeru), then they both went to his house and he saw his pictures beside a trove of sex toys hidden inside the closet so he thought Takeru was desperate to have sex with him too. He thought Takeru was being shy, the handcuffs made him think Takeru was into weird things.

Sorry, but no means no, no matter how it goes in you no never seems to mean no, which is is an error.

Unless in some sort of rp, a no should always be considered as such, plus takeru looked absolutely terrified, not shy.

What's being discussed isn't whether it was rape, it was regardless of the intentions, what's being discussed is whether or not thst should be held against him afterwards in the form of calling the police. I disagree that, given the exact context, it should be held against him.

Idk, the way everything perfectly aligned to make him misunderstand paired with that he was drunk that night and apologized for the misunderstanding after feels pretty cut and dry not a situation where tge police needed called afterwards, especially when you consider they didn't have sex.

I still disagree, rape is rape, regardless of the intentions. Nothing can ever justify rape.
I'm fine with reading about it because fiction is fiction, but I can't understand how anyone could ever try to justify it.

Thinking like that then wouldn't he be held to the same degree, he did kidnap and make an attempt on that guy, sure he said it was an accident and he never meant for it to turn out that way but it still happend, yes he apologized after 3 years but the guy was clearly traumatized from that incident. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ then don't forget that as well.

Also no hate to the guy, it was shown he was clearly remorseful he held it in and internalized alot of it

I'm also not siding with either character, just saying what is on my mind sorry if I was sounding angry, but my intention

Wasn't for that

And to add to that in rp and in other stuff like BDSM there's usually a safeword. But no means no everytime there's no safeword

If we're discussing Takeru kidnapping and sexually assaulting the other guy, then yes I agree. I thought we were talking about how Matsuzaka almost raped Takeru while he was drunk.

they had a big misunderstanding but you’re totally right, stop means stop, no means no, and he started to look creepy af, if Chouji didn’t come sooner what would’ve happen? he wasn’t even faltered that Takeru was CRYING while saying declining him over and over. He deserves to be in jail but not for a life time, they both misinterpreted the situation and i think knowing Takeru, he would’ve forgiven him too (and ofc they’ll put a space between them or probably stop interacting with each other all together and go their own ways) but Chouji would def punch him in the gut if he sees him again. (which is kinda satisfying (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ punch em! he hurt your husband!)

I was talking about both, seemed like everyone was hating one guy and completely forgetting that the guy did the same thing too. I don't hate either, each had different circumstances and they did feel remorseful and apologized with meaning it. It just seems unfair if your going to hate one guy and not judge the other for doing the same thing. Like whats with the double standard, I'm not trying to be mean just saying you should have a fair judgement for both either hate both or see that they both did wrong and apologized(〜￣△￣)〜 sorry if I sound harsh I apologize if I've upset someone ╥﹏╥

It's not a double standard at all, in Takeru's case he intended to rape him and even says so. He literally kidnapped him TO rape him. He just came to his senses afterwards and realized how much a dick he'd been and that it was because of his trauma. Matsuzaka didn't intend to rape Takeru, he thought he had consent and was too out of it while he was drunk to listen to Takeru's protests as Takeru tried to clear up the misunderstandings. Two entirely different scenarios, Takeru was definitely a lot more extreme than Matsuzaka.

I was actually only answering about matzusaka, what takeru did (in the past) was terrible, although I find the way the author """justified""" it pretty stupid (the reason was confusing, moreover it just made no sense to me) and how Chouji found him cute at that moment is still a mystery to me.

Although he was, that's for sure, making a cute face when he told him.

To me it doesn't matter what happened before, what was said or done or how drunk he was. The moment itself was inexcusable and should have consequences for sure. No means no. And stop means stop. And he didn't even need words, his horror was visible.

My words exactly

My opinion is that it was up to the victim, in this case i feel like I'd have to defer to their response to the situation because it's *too* specific a situation for me to just be like "nope, jail time". If he'd called the police and told him to stay the fuck away from him because the guy literally put a sex toy in his ass, I'd have understood, but I also understand Takeru's choice to let it go because of the context. It really was just an accident caused by the misunderstanding and the alcohol and it was stopped before it escalated to matsuzaka raping him. If he'd gone all the way with him I'd be less inclined to be forgiving, the situation exactly as it is is what makes it gray imo.