chapter 84–a quick rant with slight spoilers

lavender August 29, 2020 3:07 pm

this might sound salty buts it’s not, it’s just hard to phrase rhetorical questions without sounding angry lmao. (although i am lil sad)

regarding a taku x haesoo ending i just have so many questions for the author if this was what she intended the entire time. first and foremost, why drag the plot? taku was very much the favorite (at least in America) 20 chapters ago when h+j split. she definitely could’ve found a way for haesoo’s closure then, then have the remaining chapters be about h+t’s relationship and have this be a story about moving on, but she DIDN’T. instead, she chose to drag it on for 80+ chapters and bring joowon back into this mess, bringing his fans hopes up—which is plain cruel.

second, why drag joowon through hell and back only to have haesoo, literally his only support group, abandon him? *insert cardi b’s ‘what was the reason?!’”* like, i’m gonna need to have a serious talk with haesoo if he sees how much of a mess joowon is, decides it best to tell him “I’ve moved on bitch”, abandons him in the middle of a scandal, and then proceeded to happily chomp ramen with taku like nothing ever happened. like i knew my boy haesoo was ruthless but not SATAN.

lastly, did anyone ever figure out what the title meant? “Love or Hate”, is that referring to Haesoo’s feelings? because he’s never hated taku, so the only way i could see this being a relevant title was if this was about how haesoo felt about joowon. and then this title wouldn’t make sense with h + t ending. in conclusion, please end my misery and this series already oops

sincerely, a sad and confused joowon stan.

Responses
    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 5:38 pm
    Tbh Haesoo's reaction to the whole scandal looks so flat? Idk maybe we will get deeper insight in next chapters but right now? I'm really surprised.I had similar expectations as you tbh. But seeing how Haesoo i... Angie

    its really weird, i'm shocked too. but i feel like we haven't seen enough of haesoo's pov. this is so crazy, it cant be real lma

    Angie August 29, 2020 5:39 pm
    Tbh Haesoo's reaction to the whole scandal looks so flat? Idk maybe we will get deeper insight in next chapters but right now? I'm really surprised.I had similar expectations as you tbh. But seeing how Haesoo i... Angie

    Himself promoted *

    Angie August 29, 2020 6:01 pm

    But maybe in Haesoo's head his actions protect Joowon and his career. And he didn't contact Joowon because he knew that Joowon would be against it.
    The old "I know better what's better for you".

    But still the lack of emotions is rather surprising.

    Angie August 29, 2020 6:14 pm
    That kind of ending would be so indescribably lame, and cheapen the entire work. Tortugas

    Tbh if you are interested in my prediction imo the story will go like:
    We will get closure between Haesoo and Joowon in next or in chapter after that one. The rest will be mostly focused on Taku and Haesoo, exhibition etc.
    And some short (few panels) scenes with Joowon throwing away the ring. And idk going overseas. Or maybe his thread will end with throwing the ring away.
    But who knows maybe author will surprise me.

    And then we will or won't get epilogue with time skip featuring among others Joowon with his new family (for example Joowon and his wife + kid/s meeting Haesoo and K on family gathering, in shop idk something cheesy with Haesoo's commentary how he always wanted such future for Joowon).

    Water August 29, 2020 6:23 pm
    But maybe in Haesoo's head his actions protect Joowon and his career. And he didn't contact Joowon because he knew that Joowon would be against it.The old "I know better what's better for you".But still the la... Angie

    My problem with him is he keeps concluding everything on his own. Saying this is what is best for us, for you. Same with jowoon's personality. All we have been seeing is haesoo's pov about the characters. Only few of taku's and jowoon 's and you could see the contrast in the povs. Especially in regards to jowoon's. Jowoon is literally willing to sacrifice his career for him. Might be unrealistic to us but that is jowoon's decision.

    Angie August 29, 2020 6:23 pm
    Tbh if you are interested in my prediction imo the story will go like:We will get closure between Haesoo and Joowon in next or in chapter after that one. The rest will be mostly focused on Taku and Haesoo, exhi... Angie

    Tbh I have few predictions but this is rather likely imo.
    But who knows. I think next chapter will clear some things. Or chapter after next chapter.

    SangtaeHappiness August 29, 2020 6:33 pm
    Tbh Haesoo's reaction to the whole scandal looks so flat? Idk maybe we will get deeper insight in next chapters but right now? I'm really surprised.I had similar expectations as you tbh. But seeing how Haesoo i... Angie

    It's the regression of character for me. The way that Haesoo STILL is assuming and deciding over Joowon, it's annoying. Even if we didn't get to see his thought process, his actions in this chapter are questionable. At this point it should be know that only trusting one point of view in this manhwa is incorrect since even the characters themselves don't know the whole story, but I geniaully can't comprenhed what happened here since Haesoo has never behaive this way.

    Almost get the feeling that somebody else wrote this but I most be tripping. Like, the flashbacks? The thoughts of how is Joowon doing? Questioning if Joowon feels the same way he does? Realizing that his relationship with him was pretty normal since they were there for eachother? What? WHAT? If Haesoo's arc is going to be about how he distance himself for the past, then why is necessary for Jooowon to be stuck in the past while he takes everything that Haesoo decides? I-

    Joowon better defend his decision this time, not because I like him taking responsability all by himself but becase I'm sick and tired of him not having a voice or even chance in the narrative of this.

    Tortugas August 29, 2020 6:41 pm
    Tbh if you are interested in my prediction imo the story will go like:We will get closure between Haesoo and Joowon in next or in chapter after that one. The rest will be mostly focused on Taku and Haesoo, exhi... Angie

    Totally conceivable, unfortunately.

    Angie August 29, 2020 7:05 pm
    It's the regression of character for me. The way that Haesoo STILL is assuming and deciding over Joowon, it's annoying. Even if we didn't get to see his thought process, his actions in this chapter are question... SangtaeHappiness

    Tbh I regret that such a big part of the story was mostly narrated by Haesoo and we have seen it through his eyes. I'd like to see more of Joowon's and Taku's insight.

    I agree it's kind of regressive. Joowon accepted Haesoo's wishes. He stayed away, didn't contact him. But now Haesoo is making deals behind his back.
    Like seriously Joowon's career is more important than his feelings, than his wellbeing?

    "I geniaully can't comprenhed what happened here since Haesoo has never behaive this way.
    Almost get the feeling that somebody else wrote this but I most be tripping. Like, the flashbacks? The thoughts of how is Joowon doing? Questioning if Joowon feels the same way he does? Realizing that his relationship with him was pretty normal since they were there for eachother? What? WHAT? If Haesoo's arc is going to be about how he distance himself for the past, then why is necessary for Jooowon to be stuck in the past while he takes everything that Haesoo decides? I-"
    I have the same feeling. Like we have seen different Haesoo through the story. Even not such a long time ago. And suddenly this? It doesn't make bigger sense to me.

    "Joowon better defend his decision this time, not because I like him taking responsability all by himself but becase I'm sick and tired of him not having a voice or even chance in the narrative of this."
    I also hope that he will not stay passive and will be determined to stand by what he believes in.

    Angie August 29, 2020 7:09 pm
    My problem with him is he keeps concluding everything on his own. Saying this is what is best for us, for you. Same with jowoon's personality. All we have been seeing is haesoo's pov about the characters. Only ... Water

    Yes as I said to user above. I really regret that most of the story is narrated by Haesoo and we have seen it through his eyes. I'd love to see more insight of Joowon or Taku.

    I'm still surprised that Haesoo's more worried about Joowon's career than his wellbeing? About his feelings? How is he doing? Like it wouldn't hurt him to call him or write even a short message.
    But idk anymore.

    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 7:17 pm
    Yes as I said to user above. I really regret that most of the story is narrated by Haesoo and we have seen it through his eyes. I'd love to see more insight of Joowon or Taku.I'm still surprised that Haesoo's m... Angie

    i was wondering why haesoo doesn't know that joowon cares more about haesoo than his career and i think it might be because joowon always made it seem like he cares about what others think of them. haesoo believes joowon cares about that a lot. after all thats why joowon said 'dont fall for me' in the first place

    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 7:17 pm
    i was wondering why haesoo doesn't know that joowon cares more about haesoo than his career and i think it might be because joowon always made it seem like he cares about what others think of them. haesoo belie... BlubbDia

    just a random guess though

    Angie August 29, 2020 7:22 pm
    i was wondering why haesoo doesn't know that joowon cares more about haesoo than his career and i think it might be because joowon always made it seem like he cares about what others think of them. haesoo belie... BlubbDia

    But like it was Joowon's decision to take everything on himself so the message was rather clear that he is willing to risk his career.
    "joowon always made it seem like he cares about what others think of them"???? I don't understand this conclusion tbh?
    Joowon said "don't fall for me" because they were just kids? And their feeling would have never been approved by their parents. He would most likely have been send away, overseas, separated in general.

    Angie August 29, 2020 7:24 pm
    i was wondering why haesoo doesn't know that joowon cares more about haesoo than his career and i think it might be because joowon always made it seem like he cares about what others think of them. haesoo belie... BlubbDia

    Like Joowon said what he said because he believed he was protecting them...not because he really cared about others' opinion.

    Water August 29, 2020 7:31 pm

    The don't fall for me statement was said because of haesoo's mom. Jowoon was slapped by haesoo's mum because of the relationship. After that he made the statement to protect the guy and not put him in a difficult position. Haesoo being closed minded interpreted it in to something else and makes it seem like jowoon said it to make him feel miserable for loving him.

    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 7:35 pm
    Like Joowon said what he said because he believed he was protecting them...not because he really cared about others' opinion. Angie

    yeah i know! thats now what i meant. i was trying to say that haesoo didn't perceive it that way. unless we know for a fact that haesoo is aware of that. i honestly dont remember

    SangtaeHappiness August 29, 2020 7:48 pm

    It's 2020 and we still talking about "don't fall for me cause I won't fall for you."

    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 7:53 pm
    It's 2020 and we still talking about "don't fall for me cause I won't fall for you." SangtaeHappiness

    i was using it as an example for a different topic ffs

    Tortugas August 29, 2020 7:54 pm
    It's 2020 and we still talking about "don't fall for me cause I won't fall for you." SangtaeHappiness

    Like it’s a cardinal sin.

    Angie August 29, 2020 8:01 pm
    yeah i know! thats now what i meant. i was trying to say that haesoo didn't perceive it that way. unless we know for a fact that haesoo is aware of that. i honestly dont remember BlubbDia

    Tbh it wasn't showed clearly how Haesoo interpreted these words. We just know it's a painful memory for him.

    But still imo Joowon's actions were rather clear so it would be weird for Haesoo to think that for Joowon his career is more important than him.