not @ the maids simping for Astina

Yes she is a victim but in chapter 18 page 10 it is clerely stated that she choses to use the Bron's power to terrorize and taking her sorrow and anger out on the other maids, all the while she knows they can do nothing about it because she is using the Baron's power to do so.

Also she sees the Duchess as a threath. She was a victim in the beginning, she may still be a victim but now she is also an abuser!

Agreed, she was a voctim, but as soon as she uses the new found authority she got, she is the abuser. The back story explains why she's an abusive bitch, butnit doesn't excuse her disgusting behaviour. The duke guys brainwashing her is utter trash.

and that is what? a reason to disregard what she went through? Read my comment again and realize that I was focusing on her being a victim and that son of a bitch vassal. yes she's in the wrong in that part but you gotta understand that she had to cut ties with her lover and parents because of events where she didn't even have a choice. I know she's wrong with her actions right now but it's funny how you say "she MAY still be a victim now" like she still isn't, you didn't even try to empathize. Just say you're blame her and go

SO her being a victim justifies her abusing all other maids in the household? Just because she is the only one know to be pregnant by the bastartd? ... I doubt she is the only maid he has laid his hands on!

Yet because she is a victim its justified that she abuses others and hates the Countess whom actualy did her a favor by getting rid of the ashole and the other corrup people?

All i was saying was yest SHE IS A VICTIM BUT ALSO AN ABUSER! Why do everyone have to play the "Its alright do do harm to others, if you your self have been done harm to" CARD.

All i did was point out yes shes a victim but you are getting mad because i don't empathize with her, i do but is it wrong of me to also Empathize with the people to whom SHE is the ABUSER?

Preach

I have every reason to be mad lmao especially when you're missing my point, why'd you have to go ahead and reply that she's an abuser like I'm not aware????? I have eyes???? I can read that she did those awful things very well and I already said that she was in the wrong. people have been commenting bad things about her and I don't want to add to that, hence, why I emphasized that she's a victim and passed the blame to the REAL abuser. Reading your comment this time really made me sure lmao stop with that misplaced righteous bullshit and go sleep

Stop being so rude. Why do you think it's okay to talk to others like that?

What if the real abuser you're talking about, jas been abused too? So we shouldn't blame him and instead blame someone else, right? Maybe the abuser went through some shit in his childhood, maybe something happened to his family, or maybe he isn’t all there mentally.

See, it's easy to pass the blame. Yes, it is sad that they went through a negative experience, but they can seek help. I think we should focus on what the person did and think of how they can redeem themselves, right their wrong. But if they don't want to and continue to see themselves as the victim, then it's just how they are as people, and it's disgusting.

Ohmygod I can't even read all of this, i stopped at the second you tried to justify the rapist, this is honestly so dumb,

and i'm not rude, I say what I want only when I know I'm right don't try to dictate me

The minute she decided she likes the power of being with the baron and used that to abuse others and then decided to poison someone who had not hurt her (instead of killing the Baron, who had), she cannot be excused.