Wouldn't making the other dude uke be playing into a bigger troupe?
Tan, built, strong, likable Top X Pale, skinny, weak, cold Bottom?
I really don’t think it should a argument of why he should be top or bottom. Neither positions should be praised or looked down on. It’s just sex it you enjoy it you enjoy it. I think what the issue is how certain traits, such as appearance and personality AUTOMATICALLY determine a character’s sexual role. And with that also influences their motivations and character growth throughout the entire plot. Then audiences alike treat a character a certain way solely dependent on that sexual position. For instance a seme can be abusive as can be but that’s considered sexy. An abusive uke, on the other hand is greatly disliked. It’s unfortunately part of the heteronormativity that plays out in the genre among other things. The more masculine aggressor is allowed to behave this way as society excuses and encourages this among dominate men while the more relatable submissive partner while still a man is more closely associated with femininity acts in ways identifiable and relatable to female readers. There’s a lot of gender politics taking place but most people reading care less and will read just for the pretty art and that’s all that matters to them. So it is why it is, that we all differ in what we like and appreciate.
i agree, it's just playing into stereotypes again even despite his appearance.
100% agree. Why heteronormativity continues to persist in a queer genre lies with the authors, who're mostly women. To me personally, I don't particularly care who tops/ bottoms, esp when I recognize that many switch in reality. I'd rather focus on well-developed plots/ fully-fleshed characters. Unfortunately, this genre has massive works so saturated with unhealthy troupes, aggression and sex that it's been fetishized. Hence, the raising prominence of referring to characters by their sexual positions rather than their names. Or forgoing works that feature unconventional roles. It's unfortunate, but true. OP bought up troupes, I was hoping to point out the hypocrisy in their statement. Regardless of who ultimately bottoms, the genre has been so fetishized that either option would be playing into a troupe. Just one troupe is more popular than the other.
No I don't see that troupe especially when it comes to brawny characters like this i could if he was tall, lean, and ripped than yes
So what did I say that is so hypocritical because I'm not seeing. And you do see this type of troupe the big stone idiot like uke with the very moody yet still ripped but not as much seme. This long paragraph you wrote really isn't saying anything except what you like to read lol. Also you assumed that I read yaoi just because of bottom or top roles is really laughable to me a person who has been read yaoi for years for the plot and not for kicks, kinks, or fetishes. Lol i hate when people on the internet act like they know oh so much about a person from a non personal comment
1. Isn't ripped/ muscular = brawny? Aren't most tops for this genre quite ripped/ muscular compared to their counterparts? Unless I'm getting brawny all wrong...
2. I spoke about this genre being fetishized to highlight a bigger point which is that each yaoi coupling has eventually become a troupe. Has nothing to do with your/ my personal opinion. It is what it is.
3. You mentioned how troupes are problematic, I agree. But regardless of who tops or bottoms, either choice would fall under a troupe. One troupe may be more popular than the other.
4. My personal opinion is that a ripped masculine top x slim (has some defined abs) bottom is a more popular troupe of this genre.
Why can't he still be brawny and puppy like and be a seme some of yall need to grow up when it comes troupes. Not are troupes are good troupes like why does he have to be a uke because he is puppy like and brawny the shit gets annoying to be honest. But anyway I like the story so I reading it for what it is thought. I'm slightly disappointed that author maybe going the typically route when it comes to the relationship dynamic.