Thank you for this. You seem to be the only person that understand. When in bj alex dg screams “stop” every five seconds it is okay and hot, but here it is suddenly bad.
Exactly!! Thank You for understanding because if it was a serious stop it would be BOLD & he would be pushing him off!
Ayo don't come for me like you know me. Like I said be mad if you want this was CONSENSUAL. Those were stops of enjoyment NOT serious stops. Read the room & humble yourself.
Go read Put a smile on & find out the true meaning of stop.
As far as we're told, they don't have an agreement or anything like a safeword so if my man is saying stop that usually means he wants to stop, that's a clear enough no. And some people who are being raped freeze, go into shock or don't have the strength to push someone off. Yahwi is portrayed as being larger and stronger than Jooin throughout this manhwa so it would be easy for him overpower Jooin, whatever you say this scene was clearly not consensual
Agree to disagree. Can't make everyone happy .
yahwi tired jooin out to the point he fainted and you think he had enough strength to stop him?????? while being weaker than him too?? fucking hell what are you even talking about here? he said stop MULTIPLE times, he said it hurts and yet yahwi didnt stop nor did he check on him. rough sex (and sex overall) is completely fine when theres consent from both sides involved, theres nothing like that here.
Stop acting like Jooin is a damsel in distress. They've had rough sex prior to this encounter & this time he just happened to pass out. When Jooin first came into the room he could have left the room & avoided this whole thing. Jooin wanted to have sex with Yahwi but you won't acknowledge that. You're acting like Yahwi is some type of predator when he is not that type of person.
Im not going to agree to disagree over something like this. You can stop replying but that doesn't mean that the entire scene was incredibly messed up. I only hope you don't apply these beliefs in real life because your partner could get seriously damaged mentally and emotionally
oh yeah cause he totally expected yahwi would rape him, why didnt go out????? and jyst because someone said yes at the beginning (and he DIDNT) doesnt mean they cant say no going further. jooin said STOP multiple times, this is NOT consent at any level, yahwi raped him. how do you not understand such a simple thing like an idea of consent? just because they had rough sex in the past doesnt mean he agrees to have rough sex every time in the future from that point. you honestly sound ridiculous. i hope you never encounter a person like yahwi in your life. and i hope you learn how healthy relationships work.
You can get mad but let's break it down, shall we?
"Be mad if you want but this was not rape it was just rough sex." - So what is rape? Use of force, fear or intimidation to complete the act of sexual intercourse.
:Was there force? - yes. He grabbed Jooin's face. He shoved his fingers in Jooin's mouth. Jooin pushed him off but he still persisted. He thrust his dick into Jooin's mouth even though he couldn't breathe. He threw Jooin on the bed. All the while Jooin was saying "stop".
:Was Jooin in fear - yes, he was scared. He flinched, moved back, he actually said "I don't want this".
:Was there intimidation - when yahwi said did you have fun? He looked plenty intimidating. Also, when he said it seems any handsome guy is good enough for you. Don't take my word for it look it up. Chapter 25.
So does this count as rape? By definition, yes.
"This is not me defending Yahwi & his actions. They both play a role & Jooin could have stopped him if he wanted to."
-Jooin said "I don't want this".
-Jooin pushed him off
-Jooin said Stop, I can't about 5 times
-Jooin said it hurts about 5 times as well.
Let's not forget when Jooin passed out Yahwi immediately stopped & checked on him & did not keep going.
-Yahwi stopped 'after' finishing the sex act. He finished 'raping' Jooin. If he continued after Jooin's passed out, that's him 'raping' Jooin again.
"Also so far this story has been told from Jooin's perspective & Yahwi has been misunderstood this whole time."
- Victim's perspective. No consent. Rape.
- Yahwi had the choice to leave the room. He had the choice to stop when Jooin said stop. He knew Jooin didn't want it. Verbally. If we take it just by what was said, I don't think we misunderstood anything. Jooin said he doesn't want to. Yahwi chose to ignore that. Again, no consent, rape.
"Pay attention Yahwi might be part of the problem but he is not the whole problem Jooin plays a part too."
- Victim blaming.
- Jooin also has a problem, but Yahwi is the bigger problem. This is rape, the perpetrator is the problem. You don't say its the bank's fault for being robbed. You don't say it's the victim's problem for being murdered. It's not Jooin's fault he was raped.
Just facts.
exactly!!!!!
I dont have any ill feelings towards you & I hope you understand that not everything is what it seems because honestly I've read ahead & Jooin did not mind. I & trust me when I say this "I know my worth & I wouldn't let anyone mistreat me & I wouldn't mistreat others". But in all honesty if this story bothers you then stop reading it .
Yahwi did not rape him. People have freedom of choice. There is no reason to go back n forth with each other it is just a story with fictional characters. If it bothers you so much then stop reading no one is forcing you to read. Shit & I wish I would meet someone like Yahwi I like it rough
If you're so upset about what happened then stop reading it.
yahwi
yahwi raped him and its not even up to discussion. idc if you like it rough, that was RAPE, end of story. people have freedom o choice and jooin MADE that choice, said stop multiple times, yet yahwi didnt. he did NOT respect that choice. its a rape. please just shut up cause everything you say is extremely hurtful and insensitive
You telling me shut up is extremely hurtful and insensitive . But like I said "be mad if you want". We have a difference in opinions STOP READING THE STORY IF YOU ARE SO BUTT HURT ABOUT IT
We're not hating on you. I for one don't. Just here for the discussion. Like I said, just facts. I don't even know you to hate on you, just putting my opinion out there, nothing to be mad about.
But yeah, I might drop this story soon. Not one for rape.
how dumb do you have to be to not understand that this matter is NOT an opinion???????? no consent means RAPE. and stop fucking repeating the same shit with "oh stop reading the story then" yeah i WILL dont have to tell me. and im telling you to shut up cause you keep saying the same hurtful shit without thinking. im not telling you to stop reading the story or wtv idc, but be more thoughtful and have some empathy cause multiple people told you already that it is indeed a rape with showing you receipts and yet you refuse to listen hiding behind an 'opinion' . it is not a fucking opinion, grow up
Be mad if you want but this was not rape it was just rough sex. This is not me defending Yahwi & his actions. They both play a role & Jooin could have stopped him if he wanted to. Let's not forget when Jooin passed out Yahwi immediately stopped & checked on him & did not keep going.
Also so far this story has been told from Jooin's perspective & Yahwi has been misunderstood this whole time. Pay attention Yahwi might be part of the problem but he is not the whole problem Jooin plays a part too.