Ok I love this story but it pisses me off how the uke told kei that he won’t lose like d...

Skdoq October 19, 2020 11:20 pm

Ok I love this story but it pisses me off how the uke told kei that he won’t lose like dude kei is still human and he needs to be reassured that ur with him not because of his wins but because u love him. And also kei has a much more traumatic past than the uke but the uke only cares about his own trauma like dude kei is the one mentally and emotionally broken and u can help him get some of his emotions back but no the uke thinks that kei is unable to feel fear just because kei has a defensive mechanism that makes him shut his emotions off like he’s still human reassure him of ur love and let him fucking know it’s ok to feel stuff and it’s ok even if he doesn’t win or box. Like I love this story but the uke pissed me off

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    Skdoq October 19, 2020 11:28 pm

    Also it seems like the uke is more concerned about ppl finding out about their relationship (which he never actually clarify because all he talks about is winning) than Kei’s mental state like honestly I get pissed when ukes r narrow minded and can’t think of other ppls well being and instead thinks of their own self like ok I get u want to protect ur boxing place but dude u hurt kei and honestly u haven’t been prioritizing him who needs the attention and love which kei never had. Like the uke just pisses me off when he does these things... I just want Kei to be happy and have everything he deserves and to be able to escape the past which caused him to set up defensive mechanisms to help him get through neglection and abuse...

    Mr.Taco October 19, 2020 11:39 pm
    Also it seems like the uke is more concerned about ppl finding out about their relationship (which he never actually clarify because all he talks about is winning) than Kei’s mental state like honestly I get ... Skdoq

    also have we all just forgotten about kei raping the uke in the beginning and the uke cheating?

    I don't think its fair to blame the uke for everything either. Of course he's afraid of being outed, his entire life as he knows it would be at risk of ruin. Also how in the world is he even supposed to know Kei's exact mental state??!! He's not a mind reader, and Kei doesn't really communicate much to him either, not to mention he almost always has a poker face. So how the faq is he supposed to know that Kei was afraid of being thrown away-- he consistenly told Kei he loved him anyways. He reassured Kei the best he could based on what he thought Kei was feeling-- nervousness at the thought that he couldn't win. We even saw at the end when he realized that Kei had believed he meant the shame and horror. The uke's doing the best he can, not to mention it's unbelievably unfair to expect Kei to be the uke's only priority every minute and second of the day like wtf. People have other parts of their lives; romance isn't the only thing to be worried about.

    So in general, I guess my point was that you're placing a very unfair burden on the uke. He's not a superhuman, he can't read minds, so he can't know what Kei is thinking without communication; And that is something that Kei sucks at. So IMO, the uke did the best he could, but the trauma Kei carries was just too great for him to handle momentaily. And if Tomoya hadn't interuppted, I think things could have been saved.

    Skdoq October 20, 2020 1:56 am
    also have we all just forgotten about kei raping the uke in the beginning and the uke cheating? I don't think its fair to blame the uke for everything either. Of course he's afraid of being outed, his entire li... Mr.Taco

    I agree that the seme did stuff too but honestly just from how the seme acts is plenty to tell thats he’s mentally broken in a way and the uke he doesn’t make things clear about their relationship and I’m pretty sure he caught on to the fact that the seme grew up without love but he chose to ignore that and kept talking about winning also consider what the seme went through he doesn’t know how ppl r supposed to act he doesn’t understand kindness cuz he was never shown any but the uke was like ok he’s afraid but he’s not broken but kei is pretty obviously broken by the way he questions things and how he doesn’t react to pain

    ZenRyu October 20, 2020 9:59 am

    While I agree that Yutaka should have been more mindful of Kei, how was he supposed to know Kei's state of mind?! Kei is never really clear about his feelings.. Yutaka was in love with Kei but he wanted the best for him as his trainer as well, that's why he encouraged him to be a better boxer.. He was selfish, yes.. He was cowardly, yes.. That was partly because he thought Kei didn't return his feelings.. When Yutaka confronted him after he lost did his feelings became clear.. Isn't it enough?
    That guy who talked to Yutaka about Kei by a psychological point of view really saved the day though.. Kudos to him! We need more people like that!(/TДT)/

    Skdoq October 20, 2020 5:05 pm
    While I agree that Yutaka should have been more mindful of Kei, how was he supposed to know Kei's state of mind?! Kei is never really clear about his feelings.. Yutaka was in love with Kei but he wanted the bes... ZenRyu

    Well the uke should’ve caught on cuz kei didn’t know or react to pain also his way of processing info shouldve also hinted to his mental states also like I’m not saying everything is the uke’s fault but the reason why he wanted kei to win was because he couldn’t reach his goal which was to take over his dad or make his dad proud and ended up pushed his own goals on to kei and rather than reassuring kei for kei he was reassuring kei for his own goal

    Mr.Taco October 20, 2020 5:56 pm
    Well the uke should’ve caught on cuz kei didn’t know or react to pain also his way of processing info shouldve also hinted to his mental states also like I’m not saying everything is the uke’s fault but... Skdoq

    Sure that was part of it. But Kei himself also said he wanted to be a pro boxer so of course yutaka would've supported him and wanted him to win

    Mr.Taco October 20, 2020 5:58 pm
    Well the uke should’ve caught on cuz kei didn’t know or react to pain also his way of processing info shouldve also hinted to his mental states also like I’m not saying everything is the uke’s fault but... Skdoq

    Yutaka could have known that he doesn't react to pain that well but just because he might know Kei's general mental state does not mean in any way that he could have identified the exact problem troubling Yutaka, especially since he doesn't know what Yutaka thinks.

    ZenRyu October 20, 2020 6:33 pm
    Yutaka could have known that he doesn't react to pain that well but just because he might know Kei's general mental state does not mean in any way that he could have identified the exact problem troubling Yutak... Mr.Taco

    Yeah.. Who would've thought that behind that poker face, his apathetic personality, is a child scared of being discarded.. I think they need time to delve deeper into the psychological/emotional part of each other.. Both are pretty oblivious (differenly)..

    Mr.Taco October 21, 2020 3:37 am
    Yeah.. Who would've thought that behind that poker face, his apathetic personality, is a child scared of being discarded.. I think they need time to delve deeper into the psychological/emotional part of each ot... ZenRyu

    It could be a child scared of being discarded. It could also be a child scared of losing the match. It could also be a child who is jealous. Or a child who just wants to stay inside. Or who wants to have sex. Or who is tired. Or hungry. It could be so many things...

    I agree with what you said about them needing to delve deeper into each other. But i feel like up to this point both of their actions are understandable and they act realistically. Their relationship imo worked out the best the could've when one is terrified of being outed and the other has deep psychological and emotional trauma who desperately needs counseling. in other words, their relationship worked out surprisingly well and i'm shocked that they actually got that far. Their seperation is inevitable imo, at least for now, until one person works out their problems. But they did their best.

    ZenRyu October 21, 2020 12:53 pm
    It could be a child scared of being discarded. It could also be a child scared of losing the match. It could also be a child who is jealous. Or a child who just wants to stay inside. Or who wants to have sex. O... Mr.Taco

    Yup yup.. I actually got afraid when Yutaka said they needed to maintain distance and Kei reminded himself of their situation.. I was afraid they would go back to square one, but they didn't.. I was so happy! (⌒▽⌒)

    ZenRyu October 21, 2020 12:54 pm
    Yup yup.. I actually got afraid when Yutaka said they needed to maintain distance and Kei reminded himself of their situation.. I was afraid they would go back to square one, but they didn't.. I was so happy! (... ZenRyu

    Maintain distance, as in, in public.. so not get outed..