Even i regret it. Although the male lead this time is fine , what he did in the last in like unforgivable. And the stupid female lead simply forgives him. He is definitely my most hated male leads. Can't forgive him at all imspite of the explanation of his actions. His reasoning as to why he did all those is bullshit.
His been drug and manipulate by the other party which is the black hair girl side
Doesn't matter. No one forced him to hit her. He could have simple scolded her if he disliked him. He raised his hand. Simply unforgivable.
A drug that only worked against her? Strange, no? The start of the second timeline showed clearly that he did not need tha by the way, he already hated her before because of jalousy and prejudice. The only reason he is decent toward her now his because he want her. Because she suit his taste. He is not that different of forst Ruve, as seen with his treatement of people he dislile like her at the beggining then the princesses and Ji-eun in the future. He clearly is not a good person at heart.
Ikrr.
I mean he has technically never done it now. Cuz time is reversed.
So what? Tia remember. He would have done it if she had not changed her personnality to suit him better, as she should be fully aware of. The way he treated the princesses and he neglected her at the beggining of the second timeline after putting her iinto a comatose state is the real him. He is not a good person, he is selfish, pushy and self-helping. Not only he did nothing to change Tia's perception of him, but his actions are legitimatly off putting. He even lied in the novel to push his own agenda: he only is truly and her side when it benefit him. And not last, their relationship does not make sense. She has no reason to love him in both timeline. She was even given the power to change fate for that. Him being end game without being the one to actually act and have the most caracter development is a way to blame Tia for what happened: "if you had acted in a way that cater to his ego and play the love sick puppy rather that the clever and dinignified woman part suiting for an Empress you would not have be abused and killed".
NONO I GET WHAT YOURE SAYING BUT IF U LOOK AT IT TECHNICALLY that’s just a situation that COULD HAVE happen, and now she’s in the past again so the future has TECHNICALLY never happened. Im just saying this in a TECHNICAL view. Im not opposing your opinion or shi
Not could have you know. It DID happen. Its just that she came to the past and changed the way she used to behave towards the prince. Trust me. He is still a dick.
Saying that it "technicaly never happened" is completely forgetting that for Tia and Ji-eun it did happen. Especially for Tia, who is "supposed" to have been traumatized by it. Are you saying that just because your broken arm healed himself the accident never happened? It's not even a "new Ruve" as seen with how he treated her at the beggining of the second timeline and negleted her after putting her into a comatose state. Is true nature is clealy that of a jerk, a chinese Ice king who will only be decent to toward the girl he fancy. If she had not completely changed personnality, who nows what he would have done to her? At the very least he would have humiliated her at her first dance, that is for sure. For the rest, he would be balancing betwen neglect and emotional harassment at the very least.
Exactly.. I don't get how people can get over it that quick.. people here are so superficial it scares me.
I’m not opposing your opinion but like LISTEN how did it happen if it never happened? LIKE I AGREE THE DUDE DID A DICK MOVE
Im not invalidating the main characters trauma i totally get why she feels like this now all im saying is like what happened to her is nonexistent now like I totally understand her feelings im not defending the prince. Im also gonna respond to your first sentence- its true tho it never happened and since she moved back in time as a different person everything she does will have a butterfly effect so who knows what’s gonna happen. Like I understand and totally agree why she feels like that and again im just saying it technically never happened im not defending the Prince now ,, and just like she said. “The past and present are not the same.” Like that kinda doesn’t make sense since it wasn’t the past and its not something that exists anymore. But I hope u get what I’m tryna say here
I do understand what you are trying to say. But time turning back does not erase what happened to the MC, nor what Ruve was going to become. It just means that he can't be prosecuted for it. It is an explanation of why Tia would not want revenge, but not how she is still in love with him. It should take more than a dance together and him giviing her a music box for her to suddenly even entertain staying in the same room, let alone wanting to take another change for their relationship. For as far as she is concerned he was going to abuse her and destoy her for no reason at all. You can't rationalize that into "he grow up as a diffent person" when he was clearly going to take this path. Heck, she magically forgot her PTSD after being put into a comatose state caused by him and thinking "I should not be this afraid"... How?
ok I don’t think u get what I’m trying to say here.. I completely agree with your opinion like in simple terms all im saying is time just does not work like that. Like also okay so what? She fell in love again but to a completely different man who she had changed, and apparently it seems like she doesn’t really give a fuck about it- she is still pursuing her goal to be the head of her family instead of empress. She loves the dude but she isn’t taking priority in it as there is something more important to her as of now. She fell inlove and she herself agrees he is not the same man. It’s literally said that the past is different from now or something like that. He could’ve taken that path for all I know I mean we wouldn’t know. What tia chooses is her decision and her falling in love with him has no correlation as well to that god because they said she would walk her own path or some bullshit like that. I mean think about it.. no one just grows up to be a rapist, abuser, or etc (im not defending him.) they grow up like that because of the environment they were exposed to growing up. What happened to the emperor can literally be said about everyone else in the world
I disagree with you on almost everything.
"She fell in love again but to a completely different man who she had changed " => No, the whole story resolve around the fact that she still love him despite what he did in the first timeline. Even PTSD and abuse did not change that. It's the whole reason she overlooked Allen and Carsein. It's the reason why he did not need to prove himself for her to still love him and forgive him. The story is not about her falling in love again but about her deciding to give him another chance. Why do you believe when she should hate him with all her soul she instead constantly asked herself "are we not meant to be after all", blushing and hoping he actually care? That was when he still showed her only hatred and disgust at the beginning of the second timeline by the way...
- "That she changed" => No, Ruve is still an ass, just not toward Tia this time because he want her since she suit his taste. He physically hurted the Princesses (worst in the novel), was going to execute Ji-eun until Tia begged him no to (so Ji-eun would have become the new Tia of this timeline). He only love her emotional side, meaning that he did NOT grow up of his "hating cool and intelligent Tia". It's just that this time he instead see her as a childish puppy. When they are 40 years old and three children in he is how so glad that she is still acting cutely with cream around her month...
- "No one just grows up to be a rapist, abuser" => Yes, they do as studies show more and more. Nurture have a important part of it (and guess what the environnement Ruve grow into his the exact same minus his prejudice against Tia) and so do nature. It's both.
- " No correlation as well to that god" = It has everything to do. She had no reason to love him in the first timeline since they did not now each other. Meaning it was behond reason and because God made it so (Tia admit it herself, that God played her and twisted her fate to link it to him so that she would take Ji-eun place while Ji-eun was gone) And the second timeline rely on the fact that she is still in love with him without any reaosn whatsoever. He is not the one who helped her overcome her trauma, showed her hatred and disgust, put her into a comatose state, gave her so much trouble that he can literraly be considered as an antagonist... But no, she still want him without him having to do anything else but the bare minimum. What did she swear on her execution date? That 's right; To never linl herself to him... But here we are. Ergo there is only two explanation: they are fated by God, so her being a pionner is a lie and she was indeed a puppet of Vita, or it is brainsless love story without basis between a victim and his past abuser. Choose your poison...
Ok I will address each of your statements here:
-im going to be honest idk what point you were trying to make in the first one, it’s a messy explanation and the subject of it is unclear to me.
-I don’t see how jieun would become the new tia as their circumstances were different. You don’t see blue haired guy blatantly targeting her and hating her. For tia everyone was against her except her dad who she wasn’t that close to. Jieun now has an entire faction on her side even if it’s only to pursue their political goals through her. The only people against jieun right now are the people close to tia and the imperialist faction,even so tia is still being targeted in the present especially with the poisonings and the attacks toward her and her loved ones, jieun in the past did not experience any of those situations. The only sad thing I saw about her was the fact she had a miscarriage and the blame was placed on the tias father which I believe was a plot against tia. So I don’t see any circumstance now that shows jieun is about the same as tia.(Idk about what you said ABT the Prince executing jieun , is that a spoiler? Please if it is dont mention spoilers in this so called argument because I’m talking about what is happening right now in the manhwa. If he did actually say that a few chapters ago please tell me which chapter so I can get back to you with that so for now I don’t wish to address this part until I get the chapter from the manhwa where he said that.) ..... i just finished reading the second statement.. did you just spoil me?? Did you really just use a spoiler against me on an argument about a manhwa that had not yet reached that point into the story?? What the fuck??
-I don’t understand what you’re trying to say in the first part but it’s a known fact that the environment you grow up in greatly affects you as a person growing up. And please remember that his past hatred for her was mainly based of a misunderstanding with his family. He soon learned now from tia that his father truly cared for him and that was just his own way of expressing his fatherly love. Growing up in an environment has he had with no form of comfort or anyone by his side to be there he would grow up to be a man like that. I don’t see him the same as he was before, he still treats his subject like the former emperor but he has a softer heart compared to before. All that was shown about him in the past was his mistreatment towards tia so we cannot say much about the rest of his character, so I think that invalidates your argument about him being the same as he was before.
-ok I don’t think u finished reading the rest of my sentence making your fourth statement but I’ll address the god thing first. As I said the god told tia that she would walk her own path and tia said she would reject the god no matter what but more importantly the god said she will walk her own path, so her loving him now is out of her own volition. About what you said in reference of her last words I believe that was just said for the plots sake, please remember this is a romance story about those two. How would she know she would be able to relive her past and make different decisions to change her future. Everyone in the manhwa has changed after rewinding time, including her. The Prince after reading the letter about what he had done to her thought “how does she think that I would do something like this to her??” As if I’m disbelief .. believing he would never become a person like that even though he was.. you can say the same thing about tia. But then again there is only so much you can expect from the author
- I don't know how I can be clearer than " Tia did not fall in love with new Ruve". Indeed, the whole story is about her still loving First Ruve and asking herself if they are not meant to be after all/if she should give him another chance. Thus you cannot say that they had a "new relationship". Tia's feelings are purely based on the feelings she had for him in the previous timeline. It's the whole foundation of her journey. She should hate his guts and be terrified after only three and four meetings. Instead she make sure his food suit his state, she wonder if he cares for her after all, she blush and so on. They did not start by being friend since he neglected her. He then started being interested after and immediatly tried to seduce her. She made all the efforts without him doing anything to derserve it. Why? Because she still want him, it's that simple. And very disturbing. She swore to never love him again, but in fact she still was... So, no. It's not a "plot devise", its' poor and disturbing writing.
- Won't respond to that since it's novel spoiler and you want to avoid it.
- Still not debunking my statement. He hated her because he was full of prejudice and hatred. Because he was not a good person. She did absolutly nothing to deserve her fate. Even if it was purely because of his environment (and it was not) his environment did not change in the second timeline. Thus you admit with your own argument that he is not that far for First Ruve and is not actually that good of a person. That she had to change herself for him to not attack her. It's not character development, it's called victim blaming. You realize that, right? If we are looking at what Ruve did in the second timeline it's putting her in to a comatose state and then neglecting her. It's physically hurting a princess he did not like and enjoying her humiliation and so on. Does that not remember you of anything? Because it sure look like the way he acted toward Tia in his "good" days.
- Once again, it would need spoiler, so let's not even bother at this point. But, with all due respect, by that point in the story (where the raws currently are), the following points already stand:
. Ruve did not change that much. He only changed how he acted toward Tia because she suit his taste now. He would have stayed the same if she had not changed. He neglected her after putting her into a comatose state. How can you justify that? He knows that she is terrified of him and have PTSD but hold her without warning and so on. But it's supposed to be sweet? And the manwha actually toned down a few things...
. The treatment of PTSD is atrocious and a slap to abuse victim. She literally fell into a comatose state because of him suddenly lashing out at her but at their very next meeting all is fine and dandy because she realized that she should not be worried...
. It's clearly putting the blame of what happened on Tia. She is the one who act all the time and as the more character development (to not say rewriting of personnality). Ruve is gettting literraly everything including Allen and Carsein's hard work without having to do anything but act kindda decently.
Omg thank you. At last some made perfect sense. Copy all this and put it as a separate comment too so that people can see.
You know I want you to understand I’m not defending him I’m just pointing out facts, and there are some statements you made AGAIN That I want to talk about but I already know we won’t come to an understanding together. Im not against your opinion of him since all I wanted to point out in my first comment was somewhat on how that’s not how time works. You mistook that as me defending his actions and started this whole thing with me. And at that point I realised some of the things u said we’re flawed. Your response just now does not help me as it is repetitive as to what uve already told me. I want to retort some of your statements but I know this will just go on in a cycle of us arguing with no end. But if you still want to talk about this and see and understand each other’s viewpoint id rather not talk about it here but maybe privately on a different platform where we can converse privately. I hold no ill intent towards you but it’d be nice if we could continue this elsewhere. If you’re interested just tell me, I want to talk about this more with you but talking about it here is just messy for me.
I-- I shouldn't have read this