Dude, the plot isn't trash. It's a masterpiece. I prefer this type of Manwhas where the Characters go through hardships first, instead of those cliché ones where it's always so predictable. These things happening to them rn is what's making this manwha a masterpiece. So, if you think this is trash, you got no taste, sorry.
damn bro your opinion is valid but however i dont like yaoi manhwas that romanticizes rape it's not cute nor hot at all.
I get your point. Rape isn't something to be romanticized but dude, y'all gotta remember that this is a MANWHA, not some biography or somethin. This is just a fictional story.
And yes, there were times Seungho force himself unto Nakyum but let's not ignore the fact that there were times Nakyum initiated it. There were times Nakyum ENJOYED it. Times where He wanted it. Jumping into conclusions like Seungho is a rapist is a bit biased. Ngl.
"Jumping into conclusions like seungho is a rapist is a bit biased" I'm sorry but who made nakyum like that to be so fucked up? Seungho, no? Also I'm aware that this is a work of fiction and by that rape shouldn't be excused, saying that "it's just fiction" doesn't make the problematic content a non-issue.
Tbh the things happening to them are very predictable and cliché. This started as cliché (the noble saying he would never embrace a lowborn) and it's continuing as a BL cliché (rape first then they fall in love). Imo OP is right, it's predictable trash with good art, but I guess your opinion is valid
Uhmm no, well yes, partially, Seungho did affect Nakyum abit but it was the "teacher" who actually did the most impact on Nakyum's changes. And regarding the "rape" part, It was not in my intention to use the fact that all of this is fiction as an excuse. I simply said that because a lot of people are too overly dramatic saying Rape this, rape that, forgetting the fact that this is just fictional characters and fictional story. I mean, there's a lot of known manwhas out there which included "rape" but I don't see this much of negative energy to those ones..that's why I think it's a bit biased.
he is a rapist. And whether nakyum enjoyed it or not is not the point here, we’re talking about the times seungho forced himself on nakyum without nakyums consent. Silence does not equal consent. I do respect your opinion on how it has a good storyline, but saying nakyum enjoyed it *at times* still doesn’t justify seungho’s actions. Also the reason the rape in this manga is more talked about is because of it’s huge fanbase and popularity. It definitely should be talked about more and people should be giving authors heavier critisism when it comes to them romatizing rape. I do agree with your first comment, i personally have enjoyed this manhwa regardless of the shitty plot but it still doesn’t make it okay
So, following that same logic, I guess it's safe to say that Dojin from Love is an illusion is also a rapist, right? He also forced himself to Hyesung (uke). And according to you, even if the receiving end enjoyed it, without consent would still mean "rape." Since we're talking about popularity now, there's no question that Love is an Illusion is also a popular manwha with a huge fanbase.
But why is nobody talking about that? Why is nobody saying that Dojin is a rapist? Is it because the characters are dating now? If so, that would still be an invalid reasoning since at that time of the "rape", they weren't together yet, therefore it is indeed "rape." Instead, ppl are even saying that Dojin is hot, he's kind, he's respectful, etc. But it's not like I go around arguing with those ppl, because I, myself, know that this is just a fictional story. It doesn't need to be taken seriously. Meanwhile ppl here starts attacking those who supports Seungho. See what I mean?
My point is, I just find it annoying when ppl starts hating on the seme from a specific manwha because he "raped" the uke (Even though it happens in almost every manwha) and then proceeds to supporting other Characters from other manwhas who also did the exact same thing. Hypocrites. That is why I find it a bit biased. But if you wish to continue hating on the seme because of the "rape" then go ahead, I won't judge you. Just make sure to keep the same energy on every other manwha that showed even the slightest examples of "rape."
( Just to make myself clear, I don't hate Dojin at all. I am only stating an example)
Omegaverse works different so you can’t really compare it much, it still is rape however you need to also understand that both of them were idk experiencing their heat or whatever tf it’s called so it’s kinda hard to compare omegaverse with potn which takes place in this world. Dojin also grew from that experience, both of them did and i’m pretty sure he ended up apologizing for it. (which doesn’t make it right but again, omegaverse works different and since i obviously haven’t experienced it i can’t say) Also i love how you admitted that it happens in almost every manhwa yet you can’t seem to grasp the fact that it’s still wrong regardless of how many include it. It’s unfortunately still a fairly popular trope among bl mangas and just bc it’s fiction doesn’t mean it’s okay. I also worded my sentence wrong so i apologize for that however the body automatically reacts to pleasure whether it’s consensual or not, just bc they came and started moaning doesn’t make it consensual and i also don’t remember nakyum agreeing to have sex at any point. Right now it seems like you’re trying to blame nakyum instead of holding seungho accountable
Even characters from omegaverse manwha think that it is rape to force one's self to another just sole reason of "heat" or " Pheromones" but yeah, omegaverse works differently, still rape is rape....
And let's get things straight, I never said it is okay since it's fictional. I only meant that ppl shouldn't take it TOO SERIOUSLY cause, then again, it's just fictional. And when I said that "rape" is included in almost all manwha, I simply intended to use that as a support to my point that ppl are only hating on specific manwha characters, but supports other characters that basically does the same thing. Basically talking about Favoritism and such. And I never said it was right to use "rape" as a BL content. Finally, regarding you not remembering Nakyum agreeing to have sex.. Uhmm.. You've clearly missed something. There's was literally a time he was the one who asked for it. And, no, I am not trying to blame Nakyum or anything cause forcing yourself to others is definitely wrong and my point wasn't just simply about who should be held accountable or anything..it was whole idea of "rape" in its entirety. [which means that, ofc, I had to metion both parties.] But that doesn't mean I'm trying to blame anyone.
I just noticed that we weren't even supposed to be talking about this. We we're talking about the plot of the manwha. Dude just randomly brought up the "rape" part
sorry i love the art and all but the plot is fucking trash