Something I don't understand and I have seen it in several mangas is that when a woman or ...

agathat August 30, 2015 5:17 pm

Something I don't understand and I have seen it in several mangas is that when a woman or a man leave the house and get divorced they never see again their children...

Is like they divorce their children... and I have seen several mangas where the kids are told to choose a parent and they will never see the other parent...


Not only that.... there some mangas where there are two kids and they are seoarated and never see the other one after their parents divirce.... even if they are baby ot rooo youngs to remember they don't even know they have siblings....

Is that normal in Japan?

Responses
    iamaki August 30, 2015 5:44 pm

    It's either a manga thing or a Japanese thing, and I'd guess it's a manga thing. Split families are dramatic. You often see moms “selfishly” leaving for another man and abandoning her family, while dads just have an affair (in which case the mother and child sometimes leave). Unless one parent was abusive or cruel, I'm sure that Japanese parents want their children to have both a mom and dad in their lives. Parents know that even if they don't get along, the child needs yo be with both parents.

    Anoni Grrl August 30, 2015 6:47 pm

    I am also guessing it's a manga thing. It's like all powerful student councils and schools with only one teacher who is powerless.

    ApMarquez August 30, 2015 6:53 pm
    It's either a manga thing or a Japanese thing, and I'd guess it's a manga thing. Split families are dramatic. You often see moms “selfishly” leaving for another man and abandoning her family, while dads jus... iamaki

    In japan there's not such a thing as shared paternity after divorce. The japanese law says one parent is enough to take care of the children, so unless the parents have some sort of "special" agreement (which is not common), the person that lost the paternity, can't legally meet with his/her kids.

    iamaki August 30, 2015 7:51 pm
    In japan there's not such a thing as shared paternity after divorce. The japanese law says one parent is enough to take care of the children, so unless the parents have some sort of "special" agreement (which i... ApMarquez

    Do you mean "shared custody"? Even if there's no shared custody, a parent can't have visiting rights? Then what about the rare manga where the little kids get taken by their mom on the weekends (usually happens in daddy shounen-ai/yaoi)?

    magicmau5 August 30, 2015 9:10 pm
    It's either a manga thing or a Japanese thing, and I'd guess it's a manga thing. Split families are dramatic. You often see moms “selfishly” leaving for another man and abandoning her family, while dads jus... iamaki

    Yeah its pretty sexist but their culture was traditionally a patriarchy. So it may be a manga thing in order to intensify the drama and feelings of the character's alienation.But also it would be something more familiar to readers raised in Japan. Emotions and plot devices like these are always exaggerated in mangas. Probably they have less opportunity to convey angst etc in subtle language. But facial expressions and exaggerated tropes like the bad mom and falling in love with rapists are ways to create similar intense feelings / sympathy in the reader.

    ApMarquez August 30, 2015 9:10 pm
    Do you mean "shared custody"? Even if there's no shared custody, a parent can't have visiting rights? Then what about the rare manga where the little kids get taken by their mom on the weekends (usually happen... iamaki

    I don't know much about visits or special agreements between the parents, I only know that shared custody is Illegal and becasue of it, is common to lose contact with one of your parents after divorce. Sorry for my bad english, I guess "shared custody" is the right way to say it. :)

    magicmau5 August 30, 2015 9:14 pm
    In japan there's not such a thing as shared paternity after divorce. The japanese law says one parent is enough to take care of the children, so unless the parents have some sort of "special" agreement (which i... ApMarquez

    That makes sense. So no visiting rights? I also think women are portrayed as selfish and airheaded in bl, but the divorce law you describe makes sense too.

    Anoni Grrl August 30, 2015 11:21 pm
    I don't know much about visits or special agreements between the parents, I only know that shared custody is Illegal and becasue of it, is common to lose contact with one of your parents after divorce. Sorry fo... ApMarquez

    You are right. I looked it up, and surprisingly they don't have any laws regarding visitation in Japan.

    trfiytiuoi August 30, 2015 11:53 pm
    You are right. I looked it up, and surprisingly they don't have any laws regarding visitation in Japan. Anoni Grrl

    thats horrible when you think about it

    Anoni Grrl August 31, 2015 12:33 am
    thats horrible when you think about it @trfiytiuoi

    Yes. From what I read (if I got it right) until slightly after WWII, the legal family unit was mufti-generational so that grandparents or great-granparents would be legally and financially tied with grown children and their children (etc.). If children were born, they belonged to their father's family. If the wife were sent home, she went alone. If a child was born out of wedlock, it would be the father's family's choice whether or not to acknowledge him or her (but that child would be assumed to belong to the unwed mother by default). When the government and legal system was being restructured, the law started to see the family as a nuclear unit like it is in the west, but the concept of children's rights never evolved as such. Children are awarded much as property. Obviously they love their children more than things, but it's just the visitation wasn't culturally much of a concept. Suggesting a child has a right to a relationship with both parents is kind of a new concept, I guess.

    agathat September 7, 2015 1:25 am
    thats horrible when you think about it @trfiytiuoi

    Yes... I think the same!!!

    It is really horrible!!!

    agathat September 7, 2015 1:33 am
    Yes. From what I read (if I got it right) until slightly after WWII, the legal family unit was mufti-generational so that grandparents or great-granparents would be legally and financially tied with grown child... Anoni Grrl

    I used to think that, like the rule of the last name, the children was part of the most powerful family, in other words, if the woman is from the most powerful family, her children will be part of the family... same if the powerful family is from the dad...

    is scary... because I search a little more and in case of divorce the kid also divorce from ALL the family of the parent that went away... is kinda scary...