idk... I dont like the way they have sex. He's too rough with him, and he doesn't even lis...

It looks like rape. You can be deeply in love with each other, even be married and your partner might still rape you, wake up from your sweet dreamy world kid. This time he liked it, but how will the seme be able to tell when he doesn't, when the reaction will be pretty the same? Everybody has limits and the seme doesn't even care to know the uke's limits. Rough sex doesn't exempt you from being considerate. What the uke thinks in his head is only known to US READERS, not the seme.
He doesn't complain afterwards? Are you going to ask the rape victim the same? That just because he/she didn't complain it wasn't rape? Wtf is wrong with you people

It literally looks like rape. You can be deeply in love with each other, even be married and your partner might still rape you. Wake up from your sweet dreamy world kid. What the uke thinks is only known to US READERS, the seme doesn't know that. So how will he be able to tell when the uke stops liking it? The reactions will be pretty the same: crying, begging to stop. Everybody has limits and especially if we want to go for rough sex we MUST know those limits and the seme doesn't even care to ask about that, he decides it himself. No, it's not hot.
He doesn't complain afterwards? Are you going to tell the same thing to the rape victim? That just because he/she didnt complain and their body felt pleasure it wasn't rape? Wtf is wrong with you people

You wrong for that, you can’t feel pleasure while being raped bruh don’t talk bullshit

tbh his stop was more like a slow down let me catch my breath bc it’s rough seggs..
but didn’t sy say he was okay with the roughness (well, not really say but like thought abt it and said to himself that he was okay with it?)

I don’t feel like arguing so I’ll link a thread that explains how it isn’t (involves the replies too)

http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/9240460/

You can though. It's a physical reaction. Your body feels good (unless it's like, way too painful). It's pretty much a normal thing that our bodies do. Doesn't mean that you like it, it means that your body is reacting in a way that it would always....

But I'm pretty sure it wasn't rape. It could be, but it didn't feel that way, idk how to explain it. So yeah. But I agree that he should've at least asked him if he's ok, because it can get to the point of rape if he doesn't know how much the guy can take. So communication please XD
Also please stop arguing, it's stupid to argue over a manga... Let's just all be friends, hm? XD

Please if you’ve never experienced it don’t say shit like this, being forced like that it feels disgusting and in no way pleasurable, you are literally in pain

Please if you've never experienced it dont say shit like this because you make all the rape victims who felt pleasure from it feel disgusting. Yeah, surprisingly rape can also somehow feel good against you, and you can't help it. I had a friend who was raped by his older friend and guess what he got an erection because he felt good but he didnt want that. And guess what, nobody believed him because people like you told him that if it was rape he wouldn't feel good. There are people like that and you have no right to tell them what they should and shouldn't feel. Because rape is not only when a stranger attacks you, it can be your boyfriend, your husband, anybody you usually feel good with but what makes it rape is the consent you didn't give or when you say stop (even tho it feels good) and they don't stop. So dont talk shit if you know nothing

to me I don’t see it as rape specifically but I can understand why people would n that’s because of how rough it is. so rough that it makes people uncomfortable especially those who have either experienced it or know people who have..

these aren’t mine but ig these are some arguements abt the topic (copy n pasted)

“Have you read the spanking episode yet? It's only until then that I realized the BDSM vibe of this manhwa. And then few episodes later when TS sits on his couch remembering SY while they were having sex and he was touching him tenderly. He thought something like: "I want to protect you and keep you by my side". So clearly, he fell for him badly but he can't help being kinky at sex! And SY also keeps craving for TS being near him and touching him. That's what he says in his monologues. It seems he is just confused with how TS is intense during sex so he labels these stuff of being "weird".”

n for context the original comment had some thoughts abt the mangas being involved with BDSM thus being so rough

“their dialogues weren't enough to show that this webtoon has BDSM inclinations with it because most of the dialogues by SY would almost be crying and don't know what he is doing making it look like he's getting raped WHICH IS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE TO READ. Not gonna lie but reading SY panting over and over again and kept pleading to stop when they're having sex...was very uncomfortable to read. However, I think the both of them haven't realized that they have these traits.

Up to this chapter, things weren't really clear about what they're relationship is/going to be because TS wants to be gentle with SY and approach him slowly but he's actually doing the exact opposite. And maybe after the author comes back after three months of hiatus maybe we'll understand more of their relationship this is just my opinion after reading the raws.“

Bruh sex is more of a mental thing, if you really don’t like it you can’t possibly be into it, don’t invent bullshit and stop normalizing rape, being forced is disgusting and I don’t even know why you are trying to defend this , I’m sorry if I offended anyone but this is how it felt to me and I wasn’t aroused by it at all it was just pain so don’t talk for every rape victim dumbass

The only dumbass here is you who wants to speak for everyone else while I'm telling you there are different people who might feel different than you so get it into your head and stop offending rape victims. The world doesn't revolve around you and it is disgusting how you think you can make one rape case worse from the other while every type of rape is terrible. So don't talk for every rape victim dumbass

Ok, I'm sorry. I get it, I'm just saying that there are times where some people actually feel the pleasure out of it, not saying that they don't feel disgusted, or that they aren't in pain, of course they are. Just saying that the body reacts differently than how people feel sometimes.
If I'm actually wrong, I apologize

Okay, I appreciate the long comment but you still don't get the crucial point here. It can be bdsm, it can be even the weirdest kink and it would be okay but what is missing here is the consent and safety of the uke. If we want to talk about a good and "healthy" bdsm relationship then the mcs are so far away from it.. luckily the uke likes it to a certain point or he just isn't in his right mind so he goes with the flow (the seme doesn't know that he likes it because he never told him, he just told him stop, no, it hurts) but if he didn't like it actually? Where's the safe word for him if "no", "stop" doesn't work? How would it make a difference to the seme who doesn't care about his tears, etc? The uke would still scream and shout but the seme wouldn't stop, but just say no and that's what is terribly wrong of him. This is why I consider it rape. The main point here is not what WILL happen in the next chapter and how will the uke feel about it afterwards but what WOULD happen if the uke didn't like it in his mind. Imagine that we don't know what is inside his head, if we look at the seme's doings it's nothing but rape because he thinks the uke likes it but doesn't even ask him about that. He doesn't ask whether he wants to go on, he forces him to do it against his will because he thinks he knows better. Maybe he does, maybe it's a side the uke is yet to explore and he will help him do it but that's not the way the seme should do it. Because at the same time he could be wrong and just making the uke do something he didnt like. The uke might just be foolishly doing what he is told because he's falling for him. What of it turned out to be like that? Rape can't be taken back, if it's done it's too late

When i said he doesn’t complain afterwards means he didn’t said anything about hating it in the next chapter cuz in the previous chapters in the sex scene where you claimed were (rape) after they do it soo young didn’t mention anything about hating or disliking it on the contrary he said that he likes him so we can clearly see the author is making it clear that he isn’t being raped or being forced to have sex under his well so u can stop being dramatic about it

I think that because the story is mafia involved that there wasn’t really like a chance to establish rules or anything like that never so ts gives him a kind of comfort after which kind of makes up for it in sy’s view if he didn’t like it as much. Of course if we weren’t given sy’s thoughts I wouldn’t be saying that it isn’t rape. I think that from ts’s pov the fact that sy acts the way he does to ts that it’s a kind of “he didn’t leave”

if it makes you uncomfortable for personal reasons I can completely understand that. But if sy has no problem with it, like it’s clear he has sort of feelings for ts and is okay with the roughness of it why should we be arguing.. wouldn’t it be better to just drop it bc the roughness isn’t going to change any time soon

I’m not talking for every rape victim dumbass and as I said if you’ve never experienced it stfu and YOU don’t talk for everyone else rape will always be rape and stop fucking trying to come with excuses

You are indeed. Omg you can't even read or your mind is broken lol I'm literally saying it but you're trying to poorly prove that one type of rape is invalid because rape always hurts. YOU are trying to talk for other victims and you have no right to because it's rude af. If it hurts and your were forced - it's rape, if it doesn't hurt and feels good but you were forced - it's also rape. So educate yourself and dont embarrass yourself anymore

Ok point proven I give up just googled it sorry if I offended anyone