If you truly love someone, in selfless way you would let them go and not wish them hard time and unhappiness....
Ngl everyone has their own version of true love and how truly loving someone should be. Letting them go and not wishing them hard times/unhappiness is YOUR OWN thoughts of what you think it should be like. Not everyone is going to agree or should feel that that is the only way and absolute right way of love.
In many different situations, how a person can feel can be completely different.
(Example: let’s say a guy cheats on his girlfriend and tells her the truth. He tells her that he’s actually fallen for someone else and that he wants to break up because he feels like his new girl is “the one” he wants to marry forever. His girlfriend could completely think that she doesn’t want him to be happy in his new relationship. How could she wish for him true happiness?) Of course this example isn’t the same as this story, but it shows that wishing the one you love happiness with someone else doesn’t NOT apply to every scenario.
I’m saying this as a neutral standpoint i don’t really care about the ships
This was the moment made me fall in love even more with Joowon. Those words he said was exactly for the one he truly love
Shouldn't this have been the whole point of Taku's character? Taku stablish that his love is selfish since the very beggining (no external factors nor feelings are involved) and because of it, he couldn't love people completly. He was quite opportunistic about them, Taku only took what he wanted until they bored him. Haesoo was the first person that he liked and Taku seemed to be willing to face the "not so bright" parts of relationships for him... But at the same time, he didn't want to change his selfish ways? He doesn't dislike this aspect of him and he expects that Haesoo accept it. Which is a whole ass contradiction because Taku once said that a couple, formed by two people, shouldn't consume the other because at the end of the day, we're all individuals despite being in a relationship. And that's true, he is not wrong. This why Taku is weird, because he said these type of things but yet he wants Haesoo to feel bad for him, guilty. Taku wanted this before having a formal thing with Haesoo! He will prefer that Haesoo is sad because of him than seeing him happy with another person. Taku knew the bases for a good relationship but he didn't like them when it was not convinient for him. Taku never grew up from this selfishness, never.
He didn't have character development and yet his fans are happy with it? I would have been pretty dissapointed if Joowon or Haesoo never learned anything or changed at all. It's realistic? Yes. But, his character has a message? Not a good one. Like you said, the example you put is not even close to Taku's situation. Haesoo didn't want to be in a relationship to begin with and he accept it after feeling bad for Taku! He was the one who took out of his time to be with him despite not being ready for it, he still loved another man. Taku always knew this and yet he didn't want to let Haesoo go? The way I would have respected Taku if he understood he was being selfish and childish with him trying to maintain a relationship where his boyfriend is simply being kind to him. Not in love him. Taku knew that he had nothing to complain because Haesoo did try to love him but then he goes and do this? No, he never changed and that's sad.
joowon is a gem in this manhwa through and through
Joowon, who had a more deeper conection with Haesoo and he didn't say those type of things to him despite that his break-up scene was more chaotic than Taku's. Meaning that you can end a relationship (I know they weren't a thing, but they still had something) with the people involved not wishing bad to the other. Joowon was deppressed, heart-broken and destroyed but he decided it was enough of him being selfish (he had this background of it) and choose to be let Haesoo be free. He develops! But that doesn't mean he is not selfish anymore. Just like Taku, Joowon still wanted to hold on to a chance with Haesoo but the difference goes in how they did it.
We saw Joowon having these type of thoughts, in fact, he was planning to confess despite knowing that Haesoo have another one in his life at the moment, Joowon wanted to rewrite his story. He decided to take his last chance after realizing what he did wrong, why Haesoo left him, why are his flaws, giving Haesoo his space, wishing him good. Being away! Taku, on the other hand, didn't respect Haesoo's wishes and he begged for a chance. He became so insecure and so jealous that he was someone that his friends couldn't even reconize. Taku screamed, cried and wanted everything to himself until the very end with relationship with Haesoo. Joowon and Taku are both a realistic takes on selfishness and love. In my opinion, one of them is purer than the other. Both have different messages and the one who decided to change is the one that "won" over the option that didn't develop. Yes, Taku's love at the end is love but not the good one. Joowon's love wasn't good at some point, but he changed for Haesoo. Taku didn't change, nor even because the one he loved.
Sorry if I had grammatical errors. English is not my first language.
I actually wasn’t really talking about the whole thing with taku, haesoo, and joowon. I was mainly talking to the person who said “if you truly love someone you should let them go and not wish them unhappiness/a hard time,” which I did not agree with. Since I don’t think that applies to every person and situation.
I wasn’t arguing whether how taku was bad or not. I don’t really know why fans are happy that taku didn’t have much character development- personally I’m really upset and disappointed that the author didn’t make any for him. It feels as if it was completely pointless to have him put into the story, as the two main characters could’ve just resolved their own issues by themselves. Literally all they could’ve done was separate, change themselves alone, then meet back up. Anyways I’m glad taku found someone new at least, haesoo probably wasn’t the right person who could “change” him. In the recent raw, when he smiled with his friends, I feel as if that was the first time I saw him genuinely happy. I’m really curious about his new partner too, especially if he felt the need to introduce him to his friends
(づ￣ ³￣)づ
Oooh I see. Sorry, I didn't want to read the whole thread of comments lmao I don't agree with you: Every person should be selfless BUT not everyone choose to do this*** Still, I see where you are coming from.
And with respect of the last part... Right?! What was the point of Taku? I expected so much for Taku's character since the author still put him a LOT in the story and his character went nowhere. In this chapter I was just shocked by how mean he was to Haesoo, even more so when I saw the reaction of his fans. Taku never changed and you are fine with it? Whaaaa- With this type of conclusion, the love triangle format resulted being unnecessary. Joowon and Haesoo could have changed in other ways. Taku was just there to add drama. Idc about his partner nor do I want to see them at all, I have had enough of him but that just my personal opinion. I hope he is fine tho.
You explained what I’ve been trying to get across so well ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Yeah most of all, I’m more disappointed in the author. I sometimes have these expectations of certain stories and characters to develop, and feel as if the author could’ve had a deeper message or reasonings behind stuff- but always get let down when it turns out to be nothing or just something simple. I wonder in those cases if sometimes the author had to cut the story short and just make up some quick writing, or if I just imagine the plot to become too good.
Most of all I especially hate it when authors use a character as an excuse to push the canon relationship forward (unless they’re originally set up to be the antagonist/villain). Like the author could’ve just focused on joowon and haesoo’s own development rather than throw in a second lead to help them realize their feelings. When authors become dependent on using a third party to make their story good, I feel like that’s when it gets even more disappointing. Some stories that I find great because they didn’t depend on a second lead or rival to get the two main character’s relationship moving (yet still had drama on their own):
-bj Alex
-Heesu in class 2
-h&h Roman company
-blood link
-banana scandal
-walk on water
-down and dirty
-window to window
-shame application
-to take an enemy’s heart
Most of these stories focused on issues between the main characters or situations around them^^
But then again it may be because those stories aren’t really love triangles(￣∇￣")
I read this one romance story where it was another kind of love square. The first lead (actually antagonist by the end) was a prince and was planning to take over his older brother’s place to become king. I had high expectations for the story as I thought there was a way bigger picture and deep reasoning for why he was doing this. Turns out that he actually didn’t dislike his older brother and his brother was actually the one person he genuinely liked out of everyone (not love) but that was it. I don’t even think he even remembered why he did what he did in the first place. He ended up getting both the FL and second lead (his brother) killed. And he ended up being the only one to win anything.
What was odd was that before, he was known to not be very good at doing prince duties or cared for it at all. He liked to play around with ladies and travel. It wasn’t a good ending because the antagonist and love rival chick ended up being happy (though I don’t know if the guy was truly happy, his character was hard to read). I felt as if the author made big plans but had to cut it short so abruptly
The whole point of Taku's love was that it was selfish, not selfless.
Of course you are right, we can't control our feelings and everyone has their own vision of ideal love.
I was talking more about romantic, literature, idealistic and selfless love.
Your example was imo a little bit missed, like not only getting cheated on and then being left behind... Is completely different story. Someone hurt you deliberately, there wasn't some magical force that forced him to sleep with that person. Cheating was against the rules they agreed to (monogamous relationship). He broke the rules they agreed to. But Haesoo stuck to the agreement.
My problem with that particular scene was the fact that he spoke this words out loud. No one forces him to feel happy and wish Haesoo happiness. But through the whole scene he was harsh and his words were unkind. You can praise it's human, that's it's being raw and honest, it's realistic etc but it doesn't change the fact that's his words were unnecessary unpleasant.
Amazing analysis. I completely agree.
"He didn't have character development and yet his fans are happy with it? I would have been pretty dissapointed if Joowon or Haesoo never learned anything or changed at all. It's realistic? Yes. But, his character has a message? Not a good one."
Exactly. Taku's development was very faint although he got a lot on screen time. I'm not his biggest fan at this point but I'm disappointed in the lack of character development and don't understand how his fans are praising and glorifying his actions and behaviour to the very end.
"The way I would have respected Taku if he understood he was being selfish and childish with him trying to maintain a relationship where his boyfriend is simply being kind to him. Not in love him. Taku knew that he had nothing to complain because Haesoo did try to love him but then he goes and do this? No, he never changed and that's sad. "
This.
And I agree with ばかみたい
" I don't agree with you: Every person should be selfless BUT not everyone choose to do this***"
Imo we should aspire to being selfless. Of course we are just humans with our flaws and weaknesses and it doesn't make us horrible people. But still imo being selfless is something we can aspire too.
Exactly. The point of his words was to highlight his overall character, how his love was selfish type to the read. I also don't find anything praiseworthy about it.
All in all very good post and comparison!
This was a good analysis. I think some of his fans are in denial at this point as we never really saw his character move past that selfishness of his. His lack of development is not something to celebrate?? His actions are "realistic", does that mean those actions are GOOD? lol nope.
What would've been *actual* development for him would be to realize: Haesoo is not a piece of candy. He's a real human with real feelings, and he can't MAKE Haesoo love him. Also he should've realized that Haesoo was never obliged to return his feelings because of the pact they made *together* so being spiteful towards him like this is wrong. Like if Haesoo genuinely wronged him (aka he used Taku as a rebound and Taku was unaware of that was toyed with) his reaction would've made sense. But alas, their story is not that.
The most infuriating part about all this is.... how selfish and horrible Taku is to Haesoo
- AS SEEN IN CHAPTER 99.
Like let's compare Taku with Joowon as they both separated from Haesoo. When Joowon and Haesoo had their big fallout/basically "breakup" in chapter 57, Haesoo said hurtful things to Joowon. But Joowon NEVER said cruel things back. (Edit: I literally thought he said the line "don't think of seeing me ever again" to haesoo at first, which was a little harsh but nothing in comparison to Haesoo's words. But turns out, it was also freaking HAESOO WHO SAID THAT. JOOWON SAID NOTHING SPITEFUL TO HIM AT ALL). Instead Joowon was all like, "if I give everything up, can we start over?", ready to give it all up for this man thats breaking his heart. Joowon even called Haesoo a few days later, and told him how he'll always support him, and be by his side even if it's just as a brother/friend, and told Haesoo "I'm just all yours". Like Haesoo hurt you so much my dude. Told you he didn't love you, called your bond of 10 WHOLE YEARS wrong, said he was sick of losing things cause of you/your relationship... and you still show unconditional support for him? Idk if Joowon is selfless or stupid when it comes to Haesoo (perhaps both), but i love him ;A;
Taku meanwhile was literally the OPPOSITE. During his break up, Haesoo was actually very kind to him, letting him down gently. No hurtful words unlike with Joowon. Haesoo apologized a lot (unlike with Joowon), probably feeling guilty cause he tried to return Taku's feelings and ultimately couldn't. The thing is though, Haesoo doesnt even have an OBLIGATION to return Taku's feelings. Taku established from day one that they should "use" each other, and that this was a 1 month TRIAL relationship. Taku was the one endlessly persisting Haesoo despite being warned, and agreed to everything between them. So like all these things considered, leading up to their breakup: what the hell does Taku do? ....... Tell Haesoo that he hopes he suffers cause of him, and that Haesoo regrets letting him go and blah blah blah more manipulative shit! All cause this man couldn't like you back in a month,, youre making him feel WORSE after he apologized??? Like ofc Taku didn't need to wish happiness for Haesoo or support him. But Taku. Even if youre so heartbroken, just say goodbye and walk away??? Instead he says all these horrible things, that Haesoo most definitely DID NOT DESERVE to hear.
Infuriating. Even more infuriating when you compare Joowon's position back in the story with Taku's. Like you'd really need to jump through hoops to think Taku is the better choice instead of Joowon at this point.