Honor Among Theives?

Anoni Grrl October 19, 2015 2:23 pm

A while back when we were discussing whether Asami was dragging Aki into the abyss, the idea that Asami may have a code of ethics came up (sorry, I forgot who said it first). Someone had brought up that Asami's group still sold guns and drugs and did things that hurt people, even if we don't see Asami himself get that dirty. This is true, but for some reason I saw Asami as still being more ethical than Sudou or Mikhail (certainly than Sakazaki). By ethical I don't mean nice. I mean playing by agreed upon rules.

Since this is fiction, is it wrong to look for a sense of honor among criminal organizations? Do you think Asami saves Aki just because Asami is into Aki, or do you think that Asami has a code? I think Asami doesn't like to kill unless he is really angry. I think Asami does not like to involve children in his activities. I think Asami finds Sudou's "side activities" distasteful because Asami does have a sort of code--or maybe just an aesthetic, that makes him not want to do certain things.

Do you all think I am over romanticizing Asami, or do you think he's a good man who must rule using dirty tools?

Responses
    Anon October 19, 2015 3:11 pm

    I think, like much to do with Asami, it has been left deliberately vague, and it's one of the unanswered questions that helps maintain tension in the story over its 12 (?) year run. That said, I think we might get some indication of Asami's true colours with the wrap up of this story, both in how Asami reacts to Sudou's betrayal and in how he reacts to Akihito having given another man a blowjob, the day after Asami told him he would erase anyone Akihito cheated with. There are recordings of it and I'm sure it will come out.

    INeedYaoiToSurvive October 19, 2015 4:20 pm

    I think Asami possesses a combination a both. He saves Aki and wants him to be out of danger because he is into Aki and is protective of him and he acts smartly in his business. And he only kills people when he is angered or when it is absolutely necessary or when he or Aki is in danger.

    And of course, he doesn't like kids to be involved. He has kind of a soft side to him. Remember in character book, a kid accidently got his icecream on Asami's suit and he didn't yell at the kid and got him another icecream. And Aki says 'He is not a monster'. This is an example. So maybe from that, we can conclude that innocents are kept out of it.

    Sudoh, on the other hand, did all kinds of stupid shit and did some more stupid shit because he wanted Asami all to himself.

    Sakazaki and Mikhail, they use dirty tricks. And I do wanna watch Asami's reaction when he comes to know that Aki gave Sakazaki a bj.

    So, IMO, he does have more ethics than Sudoh or Sakazaki. He was also angry at Aki when Aki got drugged by a chocolate and they had sex in his office. Asami shows both his sides, a good one and a bad one. But due to his business, the bad side of him is more visible.

    Anonymous October 19, 2015 6:41 pm

    Asami is involved with illegal activity (guns are strictly regulated in Japan) but most criminals have a line they won't cross. Asami may have a personal code since he owns legitimate businesses and needs to not act like a thug. For example like in Kizuna when Kai talks about managing the legitimate side, Masa the yakuza side. Asami manages both and will get his hands dirty (Mikhail's messenger vol 4) if he has to. Since we don't know about Asami's past, we really don't know what he is up to. He has a master's degree from a prestigious university so he may come from a rich family, or he could be the poor, intelligent kid who got scholarships. His mystery adds to the suspense.

    Akihito is special to him. Even when Akihito sold him out (Vol 3), he didn't kill him, but went to Hong Kong to get him. I'm hoping that when Asami finds out about the BJ, he will blame himself for making Akihito so insecure that he would to anything to gain Asami's favor. Akihito is ride or die and Asami needs acknowledge this and throw him an emotional bone. I don't think he should punish Akihito for doing the BJ, he should berate himself for making Akihito insecure enough to do it.

    Bottom line, Asami is a human being who has good and bad, but he loves Akihito and it shows. Asami is his own code of ethics. I guess I could have said it in once sentence.

    Reality bites October 19, 2015 9:05 pm

    Aesthetic definition a set of principles that underline a certain type of art. what is his art? Being the Fixer. He never involves innocent people in his affairs (Takaba pulls himself in) He gets the job done ex. getting the gun back from the stalker that belonged to his "client". His underground business stayed underground. What he has achieved draws people to him Kuroda, Kirishima, Yoh are loyal to and show it. In this underworld Asami is the dark angel wearing the white hat . I'm romanticizing him too.

    Anoni Grrl October 20, 2015 12:38 am
    I think, like much to do with Asami, it has been left deliberately vague, and it's one of the unanswered questions that helps maintain tension in the story over its 12 (?) year run. That said, I think we might ... @Anon

    You have a good poi8nt about it being left open. It does make the story more complex.

    I have a fantasy where Sakazaki tries to blackmail Aki with the photo, and Aki just calls Asami and says, "Hey, this dud has a photo of me giving him a blowjob. I didn't want to, and it was gross but..." BAM the guy Asami has follow Aki around busts in the door and pushes Sakasaki down, holding him to the floor. Minutes later Asami storms in and Aki has to talk Asami out of killing Sakzaki. Then Asami and Aki go home and have angry kink sexy, and it ends with the two of them cuddling and talking about how they want to continue their relationship exclusively. Not in a directly gushy way--but in a "I'll erase anyone who touches you." "Well then no one is allowed to touch you either." "Oh really? *smirks* Well, then I guess that's so."

    Of course,that is too short for this story.

    Anoni Grrl October 20, 2015 12:42 am
    Aesthetic definition a set of principles that underline a certain type of art. what is his art? Being the Fixer. He never involves innocent people in his affairs (Takaba pulls himself in) He gets the job don... @Reality bites

    That's what I like about you RB, you get me. I do not know if Asami thinks of it as ethics, but he might consider it a matter of style. Asami thinks certain things are just tacky. I think that Asami does the job he decides he needs to do, and that he usually fulfills his side of any bargain he makes.

    Reality bites October 20, 2015 12:52 pm

    Annoi Grrl My definition of Asami is the black Knight with a white heart. An imperfect perfection. He regulates the iregularities of life like Sakazaki. I would add to your scene of the bj. Asami saying to the offender I would not touch you with my 10 foot pole Sakazkki. You are not Takaba.(It's not Takaba Sakkys wants it's Asami). He's got style this white hatted demon.

    Anonymous October 20, 2015 5:42 pm

    If Asami has a code, it's a highly idiosyncratic one. One minute, he's careful not to kill people. Another, he's blowing someone's brains out just because he's pissed.

    Asami also says a lot of shit he never follows through on. He says he'll wipe out anyone who touches Aki but then Sudou kidnaps Aki, ties him up and slices his neck open and all he gets is a haughty look? When is Sudou getting wiped out?

    So yeah, I'm thinking everyone is putting way too much weight on the BJ incident. If it's referred to again at all, it's not going to be the game changer so many seem to expect.

    Reality bites October 20, 2015 6:16 pm

    B,j. after affects incident is supposition. As for Sudoh Skazzy removed him from the hospital before the hit man could strike. It was implied by other charc. the hitman was sent by Asami.(not so sure about that).

    J Unleashed October 20, 2015 6:27 pm
    B,j. after affects incident is supposition. As for Sudoh Skazzy removed him from the hospital before the hit man could strike. It was implied by other charc. the hitman was sent by Asami.(not so sure about th... @Reality bites

    The hit man was sent by whoever Aaron works for. Sakazaki mentioned that Asami should know that Sudou would be targeted and he was somewhat surprised that Asami did not give Sudou protection.

    Ref:
    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v08/c052/1/

    J Unleashed October 20, 2015 6:35 pm
    If Asami has a code, it's a highly idiosyncratic one. One minute, he's careful not to kill people. Another, he's blowing someone's brains out just because he's pissed. Asami also says a lot of shit he never fol... @Anonymous

    I totally agree with you on this.

    Anonymous October 20, 2015 6:43 pm

    Asami is an enigma which is why he is so fascinating. Asami code is strictly Asami's and is unpredictable. He puts up with Akihito betraying him, and he only shoots for the hand instead of the head or chest, when he has a clear chance to kill those who are trying to hurt Akihito. Then he wants to face an Army of home invaders alone.

    The BJ situation is another mystery. I want Asami to be reflective, others think he will be pissed. In true Asami style, we don't know. After all, he let Akihito blow Fei Long, so he may just let it pass. We won't know until we get there. Sensei does a great job of giving us a little crack of light to see in the dark.

    Reality bites October 20, 2015 9:25 pm

    Thanks for clearing that up J unleashed. It would not make sense for Asami to kill Sudoh before at least finding out the info he needs. there are all kinds of ways of punishing people(remember the stalker) I don't know if Asami did that himself. That was well after the stalker was released from jail, which is were Sudoh was prob. going, but who knows. We are not the ones writing this. Maybe Sudoh serves some plot purpose later on. i

    Anoni Grrl October 20, 2015 10:25 pm
    If Asami has a code, it's a highly idiosyncratic one. One minute, he's careful not to kill people. Another, he's blowing someone's brains out just because he's pissed. Asami also says a lot of shit he never fol... @Anonymous

    You have point. Sometimes I wonder if I am missing something in the translation. For example, when Asami says he will "erase" someone, does that mean kill, destroy economically, or ignore? Is Asami not following through, or is it simply different than what I think he means?

    J Unleashed October 21, 2015 12:54 am
    Thanks for clearing that up J unleashed. It would not make sense for Asami to kill Sudoh before at least finding out the info he needs. there are all kinds of ways of punishing people(remember the stalker) I do... @Reality bites

    I think what Asami is doing to Sudou is the WORST possible punishment for him-- he is no longer acknowledging Sudou's existence. It's not even intentional on Asami's part. He is truly done with him.

    Or as Kuroda noted, coldly tossed away like a broken toy. Here is the scene: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v07/c043/7/

    In the published volume, the dialogue in the bottom panels and the top panel on the next page, goes like this (it's almost identical):

    Asami: "Sudou... is a cunning and calculating man who was of good use to me, but... he's broken now, isn't he..."

    Kuroda: "...you sound like he's a toy you own."

    Asami: "If you can't use them, you throw them away. It's not so different..."

    I don't think Asami even cares about getting information from Sudou... though I'm sure Kuroda and Akihito think differently in that regard.

    dee October 21, 2015 3:53 am

    I've read some short stories that Asami grew up very poor and that his mother was abused by her 2nd husband.

    I think asami wears a poker face because of childhood/past and he uses that to protect himself- until he met Am I

    dee October 21, 2015 3:53 am

    I've read some short stories that Asami grew up very poor and that his mother was abused by her 2nd husband.

    I think asami wears a poker face because of childhood/past and he uses that to protect himself- until he met Aki

    J Unleashed October 21, 2015 4:58 am
    You have point. Sometimes I wonder if I am missing something in the translation. For example, when Asami says he will "erase" someone, does that mean kill, destroy economically, or ignore? Is Asami not followi... Anoni Grrl

    It depends on the circumstances. When Asami said he would "erase" anyone who touched Akihito, I have no doubt he meant "kill" (Ch. 42 on this site).

    When he was talking to Akihito about "erasing" someone who keeps him from getting what he wants (Ch. 1.1 here), I think he actually meant "crush the competition"... but at the time, it appears he was purposely goading a defeated Akihito for his own sadistic amusement. It's possible Asami was being overdramatic just to get a reaction.

    TUTU October 21, 2015 4:58 am
    I've read some short stories that Asami grew up very poor and that his mother was abused by her 2nd husband.I think asami wears a poker face because of childhood/past and he uses that to protect himself- until ... @dee

    where did you read those short stories? O_O??
    Share please~ ^3^

    I=stupid October 21, 2015 5:24 am
    I've read some short stories that Asami grew up very poor and that his mother was abused by her 2nd husband.I think asami wears a poker face because of childhood/past and he uses that to protect himself- until ... @dee

    Where are these stories???!!!!!!
    I want to read them too!!!!!