I put 5 stars just for the fact that the uke didn't go all the way with other guys when he...

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thanks :')

not at you slut shaming single people,,, imagine telling people who have sex that they don’t have self respect mmmm embarrassing

How can you deform what I said so much... I didn't say all uke who have sex, but only those who do that without any feelings involved.
I call a slut a slut, how do you want me to call it?? :'))
Also I'm only speaking about fictional characters, more precisely the uke here, cuz I'm fed up with the trope of the slut uke.
I don't care at all what people in real life do cuz it doesn't concern me, and I care less of what people do in their personal lives. :')
However, if the ukes feel offended by my worlds, please tell them to come to me to complain. ^^

ngl most people project their real views onto fictional people, if you’re homophobic towards a fictional character then naturally everyone would assume you’re comfortable being homophobic in real life, same goes with slut shaming
and you literally said have some self respect about ppl/characters who have sex without feelings who btw are totally single (although unacceptable to do it when in a relationship) and free to do whatever they want, so no, i’m not twisting your words here. you’re insinuating that ppl lose respectability and should be respected less just because they have one night stands
get over the fact that characters who have sex without feelings involved does have self worth, in fact it’s less respectable to simply conform to pointless societal norms

Sort of. Depends on how you see such topics as "virginity". One can argue that the aspect of virginity is bullshit because it's your own body, and you can do whatever you want to it. Some argue that it's to be seen as a vessel, and something precious. I don't care for neither. It all depends on how people keep to their principles. It's shown in the story that he never gave up to just anybody, because he saw it as something not to be given up easily. I think it's admirable when someone keeps to their principles. Does that make sense?

So you think people who read all that shotacon are pedophile, and those who enjoy non con manga are rapers... or would like to rape people... or simply don't consider rape as a bad thing... so I still think fiction and reality are two different things... ^^'
Let me give you an example, I enjoy reading BL, but I don't think it's okay for two man to make out.
PS: You can think I'm homophobic, but it's just prohibited by my religion. So I won't do it myself. I don't care what other people do, so I won't try stopping them or talking them out of it. Everyone's free to do what he wants in this life.
Also, in this case, I'm just able to empathise more with this type of MC.

On another note, in real life, I think sex in something to do to express your love... and all. It feels kinda pointless and empty without love... especially for women. (who don't have a strong libido like a man)
Isn't it common sense that being loose isn't really something virtuous, respected in the society... or something to brag about... The new morals have already reached such a low... I'm not just inventing anything, I'm only repeating the "pointless societal norms".
However, you want to deny these "pointless societal norms", they won't just disappear because you want it. There is a reason for the existence of each belief, dismissing everything like that and feeling superior, isn't it a bit too extreme..? ^^'

Slut shaming... it wasn't really my purpose. I apologize if I may hurt anyone by saying that. I don't want to hurt people really. I just don't think behaving this way will bring them good things in life. I would like to wish for everyone a happy existence. ^^

Which reminds me, I studied in my philosophy courses about the concepts of sacred and profane. (I may make some mistakes in using some terms cuz I studied philosophy in French so I'm only roughly translating the concepts into english).
So, according to that theory, the body is sacred. In opposition to money.. or other things that are profane.
That way, they believe a sacred thing should not be sold or bought, or treated lightly, or inflicted harm on. I don't remember the details though, it's already been 5 years... x)

I am also studying philosophy. Honestly, philosophy are just one's individual thoughts the were made into ideologies. Virginity is seen by many as a vessel, while some see it as a pointless label. Everyone should follow their own philosophy in life, because truly, topics like this has no right or wrong answer. It just depends on intention & one's principles.

"So you think people who read all that shotacon are pedophile, and those who enjoy non con manga are rapers... or would like to rape people... or simply don't consider rape as a bad thing... so I still think fiction and reality are two different things... ^^'"

This is me not trying to attack. But if someone enjoys the idea of rape or sex involved with children, then they are predators. This is because they enjoy the idea of it. Even if it's just fiction, why would someone enjoy the thought of something like that? It shows early predator behaviour, and can develop in someone's mind into something worse. There is scientific studies that show that. What are your thoughts on that?

I'm studying medicine, but I'm very interested in specializing as a psychiatrist. That's why, I now adopted that point of view. After, talking to a lot of patients and studying the basic functioning of the human body. I strongly believe sex should be taken as lightly.
Some people may develop serious trauma out of it, not only in extreme cases like rape. Human emotions are so complex, some are not even able to fully understand themselves... or how they would react in this or that situation.
I'm just maing my own conclusions out of facts i personally noticed... ^^
Speaking in general, there must always be some balance in our life.

shouldn't be taken as lightly* :')

I do believe that we shouldn't take sex as lightly either. Safe sex should always be considered no matter what. It's also much enjoyable with someone you actually trust. But I don't force these opinions on others since I don't have a right to tell them what they should or should not do

Well... it depends. ^^
Logically, I would say, yes.
But it's not always so simple right? ^^
First, we can't generalize, because it's just impossible.. :') 100% is a myth
People may simply be interested in how the subject is approached and developed and such.
Also, if we are only talking about the sex (making out) part, I've read somewhere (already forgot x)) that due to people in the modern society can easily access pornographic videos and such, the stimulation needed slowly started to increase, it's purely physiological. It's mainly acting like a drug, the more you use, the more you need later to achieve the same level of satisfaction...
In my case, i'm strangely ok with yaoi, i mean not bothered, but not at all with porn.

I think we should approach the subject more generally, people read fictions usually to evade reality, to learn more about things... etc. Depending on the type of fiction of course. ^^

Back to the topic, enjoying yaoi shota content just for the fact that there is a shota is a bit problematic... Also, there are some stories where you feel that the author is forcing you to adopt his own point of view... (That's why I'm not so very comfortable reading a manga knowing it's an autobiographical text... sometimes it can be really well written, it really depends on the intelligence of the author ^^)

No I disagree. Because most people who read stories that involve fictional (romanticized) rape, shota-con, etc... are reading it for the entertainment of it. Simple as that. If you are remotely interested in anything near it, then you are a predator. Fiction or not.

Yaoi is also considered pornographic media, it's just not live porn. All pornographic medias do affect the brain in some way. Studies have shown that it increases hyper-sexuality (which eventually leads to erectile dysfunction, because it's an addiction), insecurity (because pornographic media just alternates your brain to the fictional sides of sex. Your sense of reality slowly becomes destroyed because you are only infatuated with the fictional side of it. Sex will will never be enjoyable for you), and over all brings more anxiety in your life. Which can lead to depression or other mental illnesses.

It's not complex, it's just simply like that. I am not writing off porn itself, but these are the effects of it, if you indulge it on a normal basis. It's just not healthy. But some people need it to wack off, so I don't want to judge others that are interested in it.

And if you are especially interested to shotacon, or anything that involves the romanticization of rape, you are exposing yourself especially to the worst kind of porn. Which is early predator behaviour.

I didn't want to force anyone, I was just glad to finally read a manga with a uke like this. I usually enjoy reading drama (yaoi/bl...) so I was just relaxing reading this one.
Even if I enjoy drama, I can't help feeling frustrated...
About the self-respect part, I think I was specifically referring to a manga I read just before this one, but I don't remember with one...
Ultimately, i just wanted to say that I wanted to read more manga with a uke like this cuz it's so healing...
I don't mean to dictate for people how to think... it didn't even cross my mind. ^^

However, some people feel so susceptible. I just wonder what are their motives... That's why I didn't remove my comment, cuz I don't think I worded it wrongly... if people want to interpret what I said in a specific way, i'm really curious as to the reasons behind that.
(Of course, I'm not assuming anything, cuz it's wrong to assume things about people while knowing nothing of them...)
I just have complex feelings about people acting so self-righteously. (I'm the opposite of an idealist person, I can't help it x))

I agree with this, because that's the way I view it too! When I mentioned "forced opinions", I just meant in general. I do not believe that it is wrong to have sex without feelings, but I simply prefer a lifestyle that is not near that.

All your points are valid, however, the first thing we learn in medicine is that each person is unique, and never show the same development to the same disease. In the same way, not every one will be affected the same way. Also, the human brain is something that we still don't understand very well.
However, all you've said is true, if not careful, a person may sink very low. That's why I was speaking of balance.
However, identically, I also think it's better to just discard such self-harming activities. More so, that they aren't essential. It'd be easier to prevent all that then.

Perso, I don't enjoy shotacon... so I can't speak of experience. x)
Complex, because it involves the human body and the human brain, which is an equation where we lack a lot of variables.
The limits of a study, or theory, is when there comes another one to contradict it. Not speaking about the fact that it all relies on probabilities and such laws.

So, I maintain what i said nothing is absolute in life.
However, if I should bring out a judgement, I would say "people who enjoy that or that are just creepy" that's just common sense. And pedophile is no joke...

"All your points are valid, however, the first thing we learn in medicine is that each person is unique, and never show the same development to the same disease. In the same way, not every one will be affected the same way. Also, the human brain is something that we still don't understand very well."

Even if everyone has a "unique" case, media like that should be avoided at all costs anyway. Because we can not predict who's a potential predator or not. It's simply impossible. But the fact remains, if someone is interested in that media, that is, like said multiple times, early predator behaviour. Because it is not normal to enjoy sex that involves non-con (especially violent) & shota-con.

Some studies show that some people are more likely to be a predator than others. They believe that it's possible because of genetics or early childhood development (could be both). Causes of predator behaviour is usually pornography. You usually understand that clearly, if you are indulged in true crime and forensic science as I am (just a hobby, not a professional). Most pedophiles/rapists/murderers' early predator behaviour was the indulgence of child porn or non-con porn.

So there is no excuse if someone reads it. But I'm glad we can agree.

Also yes, it is common sense. But sadly, there are lot of of ignorant people. I find them a lot on this site. They are genuinely sick, but most likely a minor. Which is concerning. I am deeply concerned for most of the people's future as I read what they say.