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same, I read this when I was very young and it was on a different manga site where people comment under each chapter and whenever something bad happened, they were pointing it out, which really made me see things the way they really were. i remember reading it and not realizing that he's not actually helping him, he's taking advantage of him and his issues, so I'm glad I took the comments seriously cuz it didn't only form my conception of consent and why is it so important but now I can reread it and see myself how much of a shitty manga this is.

Literally, and bc of that I forget what happened earlier

Same lol I have to read some chapters before the new ones to catch up and understand what's up

Feel xD

Lol I be trying to remember where we left off

People being 20 in 1990 or before for example and realizing they were gay as adults, there is a slight exception there. Many didn't know they were homosexuals or were forced to bury it deep in their mind. It is not the here and now where people get that there is homosexuality, where the the internet provides a lot of info. People were going through their lives as it was dictated by their families (arranged work, arranged marriages) and suddenly realizing that something is wrong. We must not be quick to judge someone in a very different and distorted reality than the one we know

I am also queer and live in a violently homophobic country so I understand what it mean to hide who u are to be accepted but cheating is never excusable leaving ur wife/husband and starting a new life is understandable but cheating just because u are queer is unforgivable cheating destroy ppl lives and mental state

Yes but in this story we get only the info "he destroyed my family". So we do not get any details if there was any cheating. Dad realizing he is gay and fell in love with a man while he was married yes, but for all we know he might ask for a divorce immediately when this happened. But kids don't mind if there was cheating or not, they believe the other man was the reason their family was split, period. They wouldn't understand the concept of homosexuality, social taboo and things. They just see that another being make their dad leave their mom.

I agree ....but that wasn't my point I was addressing the comments justifying cheating and I said if it was a story about him cheating on a man with a woman ppl wouldn't justify it ppl would of had empathy for the S/O instead of the cheating couple

Wrong. MC doesn't lose memory at all. And ML also will suffer to later. There's a reason the author name the title as non zero sum and an arc as Tit for Tat (tooth for tooth) in the novel. MC will still end up with trauma, but ML will brings him to therapy later.

lol, still lazy ass writing.. he still end with the ml right??

I don't comment about the endgame ML. I just comment about the plot. But if we talk about general bl authors, compared to Japanese authors, I think Korean bl authors are far more realistic than Japanese bl authors though in their story.

I disagree Japanese bl are more realistic when it comes to storyline and character reactions...also did MC willingly just accept everything that happened to him and still dated ML willingly???

If u don't mind how did ML suffer?

I also want to know!!!

And also, the other two! They must also suffer just as much

Right cause they not srs about tic for tat cause I am sure ML never suffered enough to deserve the MC forgiveness lazy writing once again also the other 2 like if ML wasn't punished I am sure they also didn't get punished unless ML killed them which is not even a punishment

Do you know who the ml is???? ( I WANNA KNOWW )

You are right. Ken and Kyouichi even had a discussion (and I think Ken had one with Kirara). They didnt hate their dad for being gay. Kyouichi said he hated the family was getting a divorce and his dad had a new relationship. He went with his dad (and Ken followed his big brother) to give him hell, but the more he grew, the more that anger subsided. He even brought Ken into the mix and Ken admitted to Kirara that he was doing what Aniki did. I think now, their relationship is so strained that its more or less just awkwardness between them, plus animosity that has not been discussed about the situation. I think the boys and their dad nees to have a heart to heart, and if they agree, then need to meet their Dad's lover and talk with him and have a heart to heart. Afterwards, they need to come out to their dad.

This ...thank you ...I think the dad also fall short by not having a sit down with the boys and explaining to them about what's going on and open them to what it means to be queer I also feel the conversation should of been a sit down with both parents they just dropped a bomb

Yeeeees. Yes! There's so much that has been unspoken and just....left to simmer and marinate. And they were young children when this happened! The dad and mom not sitting down with these two boys and explaining thing could have been detrimental. They could've gone on hating any and everything about the LGBTQIA+ community through hatred and ignorance and it could've been worse when they were older than what it was when they were younger. If this was real life, it could've definitely gone that way. And following the story, they could've hated themselves and each other for being gay. There's so much that could've gone wrong that might've been fixed or at least understood had the ADULTS adulted and done their part.