
Why so many of you don't like seungho when in fact we don't really know why he's like that. I'm not defending him or what but I look more closely at the point of view of each character. All we know is nakyum's story but do we have any idea about seungho's history? We only saw some hints from his past and it hasn't been explained much yet. I'm sure that whatever happened to him before is the reason why he's like that now.

I'm sorry, but its been 60 chapters. That should be more than enough time for character development. The fact that he had the audacity to say that the painter ran away, even though the evidence of the painter being kidnapped stared right in his face, he isn't going to change and if he is, its going to he some sort of cliche "I was wrong, im sorry" type that came out of nowhere.
If im talking about the wrong character, im sorry

... no matter the back story that does NOT negate from what hes doing now tho? what type of back story could provide a justifiable reasoning for him doing this lmao. yes, his back story is probably super complex, and when it does come out it can probably help us relate to why he seemingly struggles with his emotions, but that doesnt mean anything hes doing rn is justifiable OR forgivable :) obviously when it comes out people will become apologists, and we all know this story will most likely end with him being completely redeemed, but hes still an asshole on his own accord

i completely agree with you except for one thing, there isn’t really evidence nakyum was kidnapped. that’s the point. even the other servants (aside from mister kim, bless his intuition) believe nakyum ran away. “no name” is a professional assassin and he was asked to return nakyum instead of killing him, so of course he’s going to go to some pretty great lengths to make it seem like nakyum ran away but changed his mind, so that nothing is traced back to him. even when they found naykum in the snow, there was only one set of footprints, which they would obviously think is his since no one else was there.
other than that i agree, seungho isn’t using his mind to think rationally about this, and in over sixty chapters the only “development” we’ve seen in his character is that he could confess his feelings when he was practically out of his mind with a fever. i can’t imagine how many more chapters it would take for him to become a proper “good” person and/or apologize :/

...yeah, and people are acting like kts okay. Kinda like that you're sort of doing because, he has ears. He has a head. He can be like, "oh wait, they don't like this" instead of being like "well, your body says it likes it" even though thats a reaction you can't control because thats how the body reacts to that stuff and its not something you can control.

i remember the marks on his wrist, can’t remember if there was blood on his coat. either way, i know no name obviously did his best to make it look like he ran away because i’m pretty sure attempted murder would grant him like...the death penalty or something lmao. anyway that’s the only thing i disagreed with but at least mister kim has his head on straight. i pretty much agree with you and @Moon here. no justifications for what seungho has done and is still doing.

I feel averted to the rape too but I think you and most people here are being like him TBH not being in control with their rage haha....now about evidence.....when your head is filled with betrayal and rage "will your brain be in detective mode?" Specially if you are a well established fuqed up character who has a violent streak slashing people with a sword type when he is displeased.... wouldn't he consider rape a lesser punishment normal?.....now about development.....no way he is way developed in the story yet to forgive or to second thought a perceived betrayal....he was just barely opening up when he confessed his affection if you put yourself as the character with that kind of info and with that kind of consciousness the action he did is pretty much predictable.…adding up to his possible assumption that the person he confessed to highly likely to despise him and an escape is expected....with that kind of psyche...its likely....
IAM NO WAY DEFENDING HIM OK what he did everything is wrong and HIS EXPERIENCES are not an EXCUSE....we all know what we are getting when we started with this comic this is a story about a person with a deranged personality and in my opinion the author did a good job depicting abusive people...the best experience to see how genuine the story is to see it in the characters lenses than a readers point of view....but I GET YOU GUYS YOUR FEELINGS ARE VALID CUS DAMN WHO WANTS RAPE??...what I am trying to express is take the story for what it is about and not what the character should act in your opinion...whats best to look for is the WILL BE DEMISE or SALVATION for bith these characters I am hoping for a HAPPY END but I lobe me some tragedy too

Well in real life it happens hence the abuse stories and people in jail that you can pretty much see in every docu or series about it or the news....yep it is wrong and they need help... and all the bad they did is not excusable.."I BET THAT WHAT IS THE AUTHOR WANTS US TO FEEL" as powerless readers ohhh the torture ahahah...it might end just like you said or it could also be a tragedy that I am waiting for but this is so far an accurate depiction of abusive people...

This should stop.....you are all mad about seungho bein crazy but you all are acting the same as seungho blinded by rage of thing not goin your way so when you see a pro seungho comment you gang up on the poor guy when he just PROBABLY MISSED EXPRESSING his point .... you guys should realize by now that things could be NORMAL and UNJUST at the same time we are reading on a site which is not considered right but IT seems normal to many of us guys and on top of that about gay people which is the epic example of NORMAL AND UNJUST....NOBODY IS PROCLAIMING THINGS ARE RIGHT.....OK.....JUST NORMAL AND EXPECTED....

Well its clear as the light if the sun that RAPE is wrong yes but are we really reading the same manhua? cause im sure as hell that his character have yet to reach that point in the story hes just barely opening up again after confronting his feelings and confessing it that was like a few chapters ago
(you might have confused the pace of the story with the time of you waiting for updates)
so logically speaking with the state of his character in that situation WE ARE CORRECT THAT HIS REACTION IS NORMAL.....but in all matter of cases WRONG... and that is where you guys confused about cus the story did not go the way you want when you dont realize that it will be more odd if he did not react that way cus IT WILL BE WAY OUT OF HIS CHARACTER (probably made the story not sensible) and you guys confuse it about us saying it is normal and assume that we are tolerant of RAPE well that is just WRONG cause nobody here is tolerant of RAPE we are just taking the story FOR WHAT IT IS.

i’m not making comments out of rage. i just want people to have this discussion to understand that we shouldn’t idealise and justify a characters behaviour as it does not translate well in real life. rape is a serious topic and it should be addressed, but clearly you aren’t ready for that conversation. seungho didn’t have any character development (which i think he and we as readers deserve)

how about rude and disrespectful will those words be much accurate now? my point still stands......those guys are not defending rape they are just explaining that his actions are typical of his psyche and normal character wise AND NOT MORALLY RIGHT....and to be direct since I think most of you have yet to realise or may have forgotten this is a story about an ABUSIVE person and his victim.....don’t you find it absurd that you got this far AND protesting it’s normalisation like dude that was the intended story from the get go dont portray it as if it was not intended to be like that.....This comic is not that kind of typical yaoi that uses rape as a decorative icing to the story...RAPE is one of the essence of this story because its all about abuse so basically you guys complaining about it can be even classified as unwarranted, absurd and nonsense.....STILL thats your opinion but that doesn’t mean all opinions are correct you can accept it all you want but FACT is you are wrong...

Okay. Wow. I just left for a couple of days and this is what I got. Let me speak. Did your hands gets shaky and sweaty nonstop while reading this? Or you feel restless after reading this? I'm not justifying any rapes/assaults/harassments here nor thinking it is normal because I, myseft, experienced it too. I sometimes see my own father in seungho (while reading) but because I know this is just manhua I manage to read it.
AS A READER, I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW WHERE THE STORY WILL BRING ME. Y'all are taking my comment as if I see rape as a normal thing. I don't need your opinions saying about justifying rape cause I know first and foremost that that isn't right. I'm not flexing here for "look i'm being raped you should sympathize me" thingy. Y'know it's so hard for me to say all of this but I couldn't think of any way to end this.
This is my first and last reply to all of you. If you still didn't get my point just go back and read the capitalized sentence above.

To me, even if he was mad, the best response is not to go raping someone. Nakyum’s been assaulted by the servant, tossed into an orgy, drugged, kidnapped, tortured and now raped. And yet he isn’t raping anyone or hurting anyone. Whatever Seungho went through I am sure is terrible but Nakyum is being beat down by everyone and it’s kind of ridiculous at this point how many people torture him.

What your saying is what a normal person would do AND THAT WILL BE A DIFFERENT CHARACTER...this is a story about ABUSE an ABUSIVE PERSON and his VICTIM....yes you are right he should do that....but he will not cause he is seungho and that is his character and NOBODY IN EFIN RIGHT MIND THAT WOULD AGREE WHAT HE DOES IS MORALLY RIGHT..what we are tryin to SAY HERE PEOPLE IS THAT THIS A STORY ABOUT AN ABUSER WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU EXPECTING?? WE ARE NOT NORMALISING RAPE WE ARE JUST SAYING WHAT HE DID....FOR HIM IS NORMAL CAUSE HE'S FUQED IN THE HEAD AND THATS JUST HIS STORY....if he did what you were saying it will be very odd and way out of character.. you guys get what we mean now?

Believe me I TRIED they can't seem to comprehend that a thing can be normal but not right at the same time....as if this being a gay(what I meant is that being gay should not be considered not right) comic couldn't be an example as if reading a serialized comic here like normal is not an example yet.....what he did...having that kind of psyche is normal we are not trying to say its right...or even normalising it thats just crazy

And please stop saying he had alot of time to change already...…ARE WE ALL READING THE SAME MANHUA? HE JUST CONFESSED A FEW CHAPTERS AGO AND BARELY ACCEPTING HIS FEELINGS...what you are saying long is your wait for chapters don't confuse that with the flow of the story…..if its 7 chapters ago then 7 weeks is indeed long FOR YOU...not the characters WE ARE YET TO REACH THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT..

THE NUMBER OF CHAPTERS IS IRRELEVANT to The FLOW and PACING of the story ever heard of slow paced stories? There are literally many basic ass shounen manga that runs close to a thousand chapters...so that defines how irrelevant number of chapters of the story it depends on the story AND TO REPEAT IT AGAIN IN CAPS HE JUST FREAKIN REALISED HIS FEELINGS AND ACCEPTED IT BY MEANS OF CONFESSING LIKE A FEW CHAPTERS AGO LITERALLY CHAPTER 58 HOW EFIN FAR IS THAT TO 67 DID HIS EUREKA MOMENT STARTED AT CHAPTER 1? WHAT KIND OF STORY WOULD THAT BE......SEE HOW FLAWED THAT LOGIC IS NOW?

PLAIN TRUTH: Your arguments are all INVALID you are wrong take the story for what it is about not what you want it to be about nothing in this comic says "rape is right this is the right thing to do" its a story about a violent person with mental disabilities and trauma....and his poor victim.....even if you apply your logic in real life IT WILL STILL SOUND ABSURD....imagine asking a person with PSTD or BIPOLAR syndrome....hey you already have company of FRIENDS and FAMILY +medication for a 3 months you should be OK BY NOW. If you find that ridiculous you got the point if not then somethings definitely wrong with the way you think...you probably need help yourself....(if you did not notice in the story its still snowing thats already an indicator that clearly 3/4 of the 67 chapters is not enough to put more months or years in their timeline in order to make sense or realistic the character development you are demanding....)

1) he isn't medicated. 2) we dont even know his full back story yet. 3) that still doesn't give him the right to fucking rape someone. And 4) yelling and practically insulting people is what you said we were doing, so thats hypocritical. If you dont like the convo, mute it and stop responding. The only reason I haven't is because I want to see other people's view point and from what I read, it seems as if theyre saying its okay because he has PTSD when practically nothing has been shown.

yeah, but those shounen AI already got the confessions and that type of stuff done and over with and the rest of it is just them trying to figure out how to deal with their friends, society, or their life in general. This dude recognized his feelings for not even a God damn moment, thought it was some strange magic thing (I know thats not what it's called but im comparing it to magic) and brushed it off like it was nothing and then proceeded to be the dick he already was. By now, any character would realize (with ptsd or not) that whats going on isn't okay and that maybe they do have feelings for the person. Yelling wont make your argument clear, if you dont like our comments, then stop responding cause now it just seems as if your starting to attack people (I know you're not, but you're coming off like that) which you said we were doing.

aya, you're literally fighting a losing battle. It's not funny, and its just starting to get annoying because you can't seem to get our comments through your head. Maybe step back for a bit, look around, and then make your decision. I've reread this mahnwa way too many times and each time I do, I notice someone else thats toxic.

i think we all need to step back and realize that, above all, this is a yaoi manhwa. it’s a genre that, whether you recognize it or not, includes/glosses over/romanticizes rape and abusive themes. yet here we all are, reading it and continuing to read it even after realizing how the characters are written.
i think what it all comes down to is some people have become very desensitized to the abusive and rape themes consistent in yaoi, and they forgive the aggressors because they know eventually (most of the time) the authors write it so that they’re forgiven and get “redemption” or some sort of happy ending with the main character. so a lot of people just gloss over the abuse and can’t wait to get to the “happy” part where the couple is together. they see what the character could be, not what the character is at the moment.
in the end, yaoi, this story included, has a lot of problematic themes at its core because of how the genre has developed. there are plenty that show healthy relationships and i feel like more are coming out that way, but the majority is still full of plots like this one. yet here we are, reading it anyway. we can all enjoy content in manga and manhwa while still being critical of the characters, the plot, and the development of the story. as long as you are aware of the issues within the content you consume, and are able to criticize it accordingly. of course, not everyone can do that and some do excuse these things regardless, but we can’t fight with everyone who doesn’t see things the way we do.
all in all i think this comment thread has gone on long enough. agree to disagree somewhere. regardless of how you feel about these characters, we’re all still reading, still waiting for updates.

real question though, have y’all been rooting for seungho at all then? because...this is not the first time he’s raped nakyum. in fact, we can say the past couple of chapters where nakyum was actively having sex with him were outliers. the first time he had “sex” with seungho he was drunk out of his mind and didn’t even realize it was him or it was even real. that’s rape. the next few times he was essentially coerced into it because seungho intimidated the shit out of him as someone more powerful, with money, and with a title. this whole story has been a mess of abuse, assault, and coercion, so i just assumed anyone reading was just used to the usual yaoi tropes that involve that.
so i’m actually curious to know, have you been expecting/hoping for him to change and then to get together? or have you been hoping for some other kind of happy ending for nakyum away from seungho?
personally i’m just reading expecting the author to give him some sort of redemption by the end that allows them to be together, but maybe she’ll surprise us with something unexpected?

also, real question for those still in the thread: have y’all been rooting for seungho at all? this isn’t the first time this has happened. in fact, we can actually say that the past few chapters where nakyum was actively having sex with seungho were outliers. the first time they had “sex” nakyum was drunk out of his mind and didn’t even know it was him, let alone think it was real. that’s rape. the next few times he was essentially coerced/intimidated into having sex with him because seungho intimidated the hell out of him as someone with a title, money, and power. this whole story has been a mess of assault, rape, and abuse.
so do you guys actually want them to end up together? or did you? i thought everyone still reading at this point was just used to the usual yaoi tropes and was just going along for the ride.
personally, i’m just reading thinking the author will do the usual sad back story and quick redemption so that they get a “happy ending” and end up together. but maybe she’ll surprise us? who knows

why in the world would you think that....would you root for a serial killer protagonist in a thriller comic SMH really.....but in this comic you have an abuser AND A NAIVE VICTIM (this is common shit in real life) so you all best believe we all just be disappointed if you expect cute naive uke will leave seungho cause he is damn thirsty for love he’ll accept even its that kind of form...or maybe I’m mistaken I am still waiting FOR REAL CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT NOT “ASSUMED AND DEMANDED CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CHAPTERS WHICH IS JUST RIDICULOUS” if I were you just let the story unfold further before you trash it cus thats what im gonna do since I GET THE SUBJECT OF THE STORY...

did you not read the word "in the BEGINNING" and "had" dont forget "was". They were PAST TENSE and you said that I cant comprehend what your saying when you blatantly ignored those simple words. There has been literally 0 character development, and apparently you dont if your complaining about someone else complaining about how the dude hasn't changed. Most stories, they would've at least had some character development, with trama or not, but this dude right here has had literally 0. He realized something, than ignored it and blamed it on someone else. Also, who said anything about a serial killer? I wasnt talking about a killer, I was talking about an abuser. If it were a serial killer, that would be a different story.

YOU JUST ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION unbelievable AHAHAH SMH what I SAID ALREADY IT'S SLOW PACED THE ONLY MAJOR CHAR DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED SO FAR IS HIM CONFESSING HIS FEELINGS ...SO WHY THE IN THE WORLD ARE YOU EXPECTING SOME UNCHARACTERISTIC STUFF OUT OF THE BLUE AND SUDDENLY HE CAN MANAGE HIS TEMPER THE SEASONS HAVEN'T EVEN CHANGED YET MIND YOU DO YOU SEE THAT ITS STILL EFFIN SNOWING IN THEIR SETTING STILL? SO CHAR DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IN A WEEK OR SO? DO YO REALIZE HOW ABSURD WHAT YOU ARE SAYING..
IMMA KEEP DOIN THIS ON CAPS CAUSE YOU CAN'T SEEM TO READ PROPERLY
IM NOT SAYING ITS THE SAME WITH A SERIAL KILLER CHARACTER IM POINTING OUT THAT WILL YOU ROOT FOR A BAD CHARACTER? GET YOUR COMPREHENSION RIGHT....YOU SAID IT YOURSELF THERE'S BARELY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT CAUSE THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS CAUSE ITS EFFIN SLOW PACED SLOW PACED SLOW PACED....IF THERE IS SOMEONE NOT READING THATS YOU HERE ILL SAY IT AGAIN SLOW PACED SLOW PACED SLOW PACED........YOUR THE ONE WITH THE WRONG ANALOGY COMPARING IT TO A REGULAR COMIC...SOME CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER COMIC BY THIS NUBMBER OF CHAPTER THATS BECAUSE MAYBE THE PACING FOR THAT COMIC FITS IT...ILL SAY IT AGAIN CUS YOU DINT READ
SLOW PACED SLOW PACED SLOW PACED SLOW PACED
IF ITS TOO SLOW FOR YOU AND ITS A TORTURE THEN THEN READ THAT COMIC YOUR SAYING WITH THAT KIND OF CHAR DEVELOPMENT....CAUSE THIS COMIC IS NOT LIKE THAT...
PS: THE FACT THAT TOU THINK I COMPARED THIS TO A SERIAL KILLER MANGA TELL SOMETHING IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IM SAYING CAUSE GUESS WHAT YOU DON'T....I DID NOT EVEN COMPARED SIMILARITIES I JUST PROVED A POINT FOR ROOTING FOR A BAD GUY...AND YOU DID NOT EVEN SEEM TO GET THAT...SO IM OTTA HERE CUS I KNOW ITS GONNA TAKE FOREVER SO BYE...

You brought the serial killer up first. I was stating what I have been stating the entire time. I have read stories where one of the main characters are worse than he is, and is a longer story all together, and the character development was faster than this. I've been saying that in the BEGINNING (as in the beginning of the story) I was hoping he would change. You agreed with the post saying that we should wait so he would change. Your changing your view point. Also, you're being incredibly rude so ima do the same cause ive been trying to be civil. Saying the same words over and over again just makes you seem irritated.
Are you a fucking 5 year old? You're literally routing for this guy and you don't even know it. Please go and reread the shit you've said because its killing my braincells, I've been trying to stay calm about this while you just go off and say shit but than say that everyone else is that bad guy. Get off your high horse, get your head out of the clouds. You need to look around you for once in your life, no wonder your family counts you as the disappointment. Look around you, do you see anyone else agreeing with you? No, your the one who decided to go and say shit and argue with another person because you thought they were wrong. I was trying to to explain to you in a language a five year old could understand, but you kept ignoring what I've been saying and kept justifying this shit. Calm down for once in your life cause news flash, the world doesn't revolve around you and you need to get your head out of your ass.

HAHAHAAHAHAH SEEE THAT ONLY TAKES HER OPINION AND NOT FACTS
I DID NOT EFING SAY IM ROOTING FOR HIM LIKE HOW MANY TIMES AHAHAHHAHAHAH SEE HOW WHO YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS YOU AHAHAHA YOU GO DROWN ON YOUR OPINIONS ALL DELUSIONS AND FALSE .... YOUR THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO GET OFF THE HIGH HORSE......I JUST SAID THATS THE STORY ABOUT AND IT HAS YET TO DEVELOP TO THAT POINT...THATS IS CLEARLY A FACT CAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPNED CHAPTER 58 SO IM STATING FACTS YOUR STATING DELUSION......AND IM DONE CAUSE IT WILL JUST BE FUTILE TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND IT....so IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE ILL JUST RESPECT THAT....BUT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS IS NOT TRUE SO THATS ON YOU...BYEEE..

...what was the point you were trying to make, exactly? Because there would still be a small chance wjen its comes to abusers because most of the time they notice they're abusive and try to change that. With serial killers, they notice what they've done, they live with the guilt, but they just go and hide instead of trying to turn themselves in or anything. There is a difference. I dont root for abusers nor serial killers, thats what youre doing. I had a small bit of hope wjen I started reading this yaoi that maybe he will change but around.... 10 chapters? 15? He wasn't going to change and each chapter just made me dislike him even more. Stop saying I was rooting for one when in reality, I had small hope because thats what any decent human being would have. You're putting your words into my mouth, I can literally go and say "hey, who do you think is right" in a server and most people will agree with me. I would know because I did that because you dont listen to other people and keep your head in a bubble. Come back down to earth sweetie, look at what you've been typing and then say what you're going to say.

Dude, I've been saying that even a slow pace one would be faster than this. Im drowning on my own opinions? I've been trying to explain to you what I see from my view point because you seem to only care about yourself. I have yet to understand what your saying because you've been backing down and changing your opinion and saying that I was the one who was saying it. There is a difference between explaining and just stating your opinion. I've been explaining the way I see things as much as I could, I even used simple words for your small brain to understand, but yet you still haven't. Using caps doesn't make your stance clearer or stronger, it just makes it seem like your losing and your too stubborn to try to back down and understand that your most likely in the wrong. More people have disagreed with you than you think.You keep saying bye but continue too respond, im trying to figure out your way of thinking but I cant.

Ok if that sounded rude SORRY cause it seemed to me your misreading it thats why i made it all caps and as ive well assumed you understand that i did not ignore your in the beginning QUOTE cause im already highlighting my point that its slow paced and bound to continue..AGAIN Im rooting for the STORY not for that jerk how many times do i have to declare that I AM even waiting for uke for his next good or dumb move but if you analyze the story the author is making it PAINFULLY SLOW to showcase the abuse cause thats the core and what she wants too or maybe even convey to her readers if so shes doing a good job because you are frustrated...this is just an APOLOGY since you said it sounded rude....Im not gonna really reply anymore this is the last try explaining what the story is about and why we DON'T NECESSARILY ROOT FOR THAT SHIT AND SUPPORT RAPE OK?

Im using caps as highlighting not to YELL....so if you find it rude SORRY...and last thing I DID NOT INSULT NOBODY...I checked my comments.....what I said are facts literally the evidence on chapter 58......thats the only major character development hence you can't expect him to go 360 on chapter 63 and thats a FACT not OPINION which is why it may sound rude why im invalidating your arguments simply because there's the evidence...

Uhmm i think after I did that poor attempt at making it readable by capsing the shit outta the paragraphs....if i remember you said i was 5 year old then i fired back that yur delusional or something but sorry bout that capsing shit....but prior to that i did intentionally put some of my sentences lil bit off just to sting abit to make a point but as checked it...it did turned overly rude seeing some in CAPS...about that im SORRY..
I don't know why, the part where nakyum needs to paint while they're having sex, I find it so random like it came out of nowhere lol it just caught me off guard ಡ ʖ ಡ