The upcoming 2 chapters are gonna break us yo. I'm so mad at Woojin. Ik Minho blackmailed him but Minho is all talk and Woojin knows this. But deep down Woojin is terrified not even realizing he's the one doing the actual damage... I know he got his trauma but someone needs to slap him into reality. Because regardless, it's disgusting and he knows he's doing wrong.
People keep saying we should've expected it and why it isn't surprising. I think all of us expected it to happen as it always tends to happen. But why can't we also think there's was a chance?
The author did write in that chance hence why in the end we are disappointed because there really was a chance, even the other team believed so too, and don't say they didn't, on twt and tt, his stans were going wild that he "lost". So yes, that's why many of us are disappointed regardless if it was expected.
funny thing is even some of the yahwi stans are disappointed lmao. and tbh if they made their reunion a little more slow burn, like genuinely getting to know each other etc i and probably many other who originally.leaned towards cain probably would have liked it too. most people's problem as i see it here is not necessarily cain not getting him but the way this was just rushed like that after like 40 chapters of constant yapping about self worth and how much yahwi doesnt understand him and his feelings.
You sum it so well because this is exactly it
I saw like 2 yahwi stans be disappointed on fb about how it didn't feel right either. Most are just happy there was win. It should've been a slow burn of them finalizing and fixing their relationship rather this rush end when suddenly all their problems are gone.
Like you said we should seen then get to know each other because sure damn didn't this whole 100 chapters because how did Jooin come grow deep feelings when all we saw them was bicker and had like 2 dates, the 2nd date being in S3 but was actually a group project that no one but them showed up
Most Cain stans from how I see it are asking why Cain is there if he served no purpose and didn't have any plot device for the main characters. His story wasn't even relevant to Jooin.
Yeah someone said the story would literally be tbe same if Cain's entire arc is taken out and that is just so ridiculous, like they literally could have just made him some exchange student who has a small crush and is only there to make yahwi jelous. that would have at least made sense lol.
and i dont think Yahwi and Jooin ever had a real date. in the beginning their dates were just yahwi taking him to have sex and then leave him alone with money on the table real romantic something to fall head over heels for don't you think
exactly this! My favorite ytc character is Yahwi but I didn't like how they executed the development before their confession.
I think they should've just used all that wasted time with Cain to build and repair yahwi and jooin relationship instead of relying on a timeskip to help them. Or at least before it happen them fixing their relationship but needed space afterwards.
After chapter 100 I'm starting to wonder why Cain was even added to the story. It seems a bit unnecessary now. Would've best if his character was saved for a non love triangle.
Er...that's the whole point of love triangles isn't it? A third wheel thrown in just cos.
I mean I get it but not here because the reincarnation was random to even add here. Usually love triangles have the MC developing and participating with both but Jooin never did with Cain and usually the 2nd ML will serve some kind of purpose or "lesson" for the MC but it didn't for ytc.
I disagree. The author can make the ML2 as strong or as weak as they want. Fact is, they NEVER get the girl in this trope. 'Nough said.
Nah there are stories where the second lead wins but they rare. We still fools for getting our hopes up doe
Yup, couldn't have said it better myself!
Cain is an extra his purpose is be an obstacle between Y&J. He is a living proof that jooin feelings with yahwi will never change
I agree with Godzilla cause I get what they meant, I also made a topic where I wonder the same thing! I think the author didn't handle the characters and the story well... Usually in love triangles you already understand from the beginning who the main couple will be, and the third wheel is clearly added just to create suspense. In this case we have Jooin who strongly rejected Yahwi for more than 60 chapters, meanwhile he bonded more and more with Cain. Then we have a thorough story of their tragic past life that makes you believe they are destined, and then suddenly he ends up with Yahwi after a time skip? They literally just had a toxic relationship in the first 30 chapters but that's it. So why did the author give Cain's character so much importance and such a development to just end things that way? I swear this ending shocked me.
There aren't any rules as to how you incorporate your third wheel. So, the author is entitled to do whatever they want with the third wheel. Some choose the weak impact and others choose a profound impact on the story like this story and "Love or Hate".
Ofc the author's entitled to do whatever they want, for all i care they can add their messed up rape scenes too, but then they also gotta handle the criticism they'll face
Trust me, the author doesn't care about what you or anyone thinks. The popularity of this story (negative or not) is money in the bank for them. That's what it's all about. 'Nough said.
I don't think you understand. My problem is that you can literally take Cain out of the story and it would not actually affect the story itself. That's why I find his part unnecessary. This comes down to the writing process. You say he's an obstacle but he is not because Jooin was the one purposely avoiding yahwi due to yahwi own actions. This had nothing to actually do with Cain. Cain was simply just there. For no reason. If you're gonna make a love triangle at least add purpose and to where if you removed 'said character' it would affect the story.
My bad I mistook another comment mention of obstacle as yours. My apologies
Yes this. You said exactly what I'm thinking and was about to say
Exactly. They're allowed to write what they want but that doesn't mean it's gonna avoid criticism. Reader will be expressive in what they read.
A love triangle is just that, 2 main characters and a third wheel. There are no rules as to how the third wheel is used, how much or little they affect the plot. The fact is that there has a to be a third wheel. If you remove the third wheel as you're saying, then, it's not a love triangle any more. So, the aurhor has done nothing wrong with their plot because it suits the trope.
oh girls dont try to reason with these people lol its not worth the bother. they have a very narrow way of looking at things and tbe only thing that matters to them is that yahwi is endgame and everyone who didn't like that is wrong or stupid. youll never convince them because they have 3 comebacks and stick to it lol
you are so right. like right now it actually seems like they gace the reincarnation backstory to cain so that they domt have to write an actual personality for him lol. and no a good love triangle makes both characters sort of have a purpose to the story, which cain didnt really have, because like you said, jooin rejected and distanced himself from yahwi all pn his own and not because of yahwi.
I MEAN CAIN
I agree with you. It's as if Cain was meant to be a filler character than an actual third-wheel character. Removing him from the story wouldn't handicap the story itself.
I'm not saying that Cain was a bad character, what I'm pointing out is the fact that the author did not take advantage of him, as a second lead character, to create intrigue/suspense in the reader's mind whenever he was absent from many chapters. And, I agree that the reincarnation story was far-fetched.
It kind of feels like this started manifesting more after the hiatus. Where the author was taking more advantage of Cain to boost Yahwi's insecurity or fear of losing Jooin. For Yahwi, having Cain around Jooin felt like losing what was supposed to belong to him. So the author showed that which gave Cain an important role in the story. The role of a healer or a savior rather than a breaker or an abuser. But then, after the hiatus, all of that was gone. The story became separated into two stories. One of Yawhi and Jooin and another of Cain and Jooin. In both stories, Cain and Yahwi are the ML characters. That's why if you remove Cain from the story, it does not impact Yahwi and Jooin's side of the story.
But basically the point is that me and many other people feel tricked, indeed I've noticed that many people are unhappy with this ending... The author literally made us believe that Jooin and Cain were soul mates with that deep and tragic backstory, I mean, they were able to reunite as humans in another timeline, I was sure they were destined or something! Also cause Jooin bonded a lot more with Cain than with Yahwi, who got rejected for most of the story because he was toxic all the time. And then the author made Jooin come back to the guy who only hurt him, so of course I wonder what's the point of all this, cause I feel upset :') Anyway it's just an opinion, like you have yours, and the author of course can do whatever they want with their story, I just wanted to show my disappointment
It really is silly. Just imagine your soul being reborn as a human and then your fellow reborn soulmate rejects you so now yall no longer live in the same world basically lol
I meant to say:
"It kind of feels like this started manifesting more after the hiatus. Where, BEFORE THE HIATUS, the author..."
Really, that's so sad!
its quite literally so pointless to make that intoba whole thing for cain. like they could have just made him have a regular normal crush lmao??? like as an exchange student or like ANYTHING
Yea would’ve been better exchange but not enough cause it’s jooin
Cain is a side character without him they cannot create this entire plot, the downside of this story is that they did not handle this love triagle so well.
tbd story would be the exact same if cain wasnt in it
Yeah
Okay I reread and I'm ngl that "I loved every single day since the day I meet you" felt off because I swear if he did why the heck did he mistreat Jooin because he did not remember meeting him as kids? That isn't "love since I meet you". Then I realized why it felt off. Didn't Cain legit tell Jooin something similar like that ages ago? Or am I tripping.
Fr! He's so full of shit and the author is just back tracking talking about how yawhi cared for and loved jooin since day 1 but treated him like shit for months this story is ass bro
Yup so disappointing
Not disappointed as I thought I would be. It's just. What was the point of Cain and his reincarnation story if this is the ending. It didn't need to be added or drag out then tbh and could of focus on jooin and yahwi story and how they redeem/fix their relationship instead without the need of a timeskip.
What are yall thoughts [from both teams]?
Because Cain is a reincarnated d9h and he needs a story. It's a love triangle so both have different types of past. Jooin cherished Cain as a FRIEND but he loved Yahwi as a lover. It makes sense bc Yahwi is his first love and he never stopped loving him. That's why he never told Cain he loved him
Dog*
Well to me the time skip was very much necessary as they both needed time to heal so that when they meet again they can be their healthier and mature selves.
In love triangle one of the MLs is always left heartbroken that's why I usually don't pick love triangles. And well as a reader since season 1 I knew Yahwi was the endgame with the way his plot was introduced and developed so yup I was always very sure of his endgame and I'm happy for him.
I have to agree with others on twt I feel like a one year timeskip could've been enough. Or atleast Jooin seeing yahwi change. To me it makes no sense to move him aboard. When this could've happen if he was still in Korea.
They could've gave him a story that didn't need reincarnation. It would fit perfectly if both guys met Jooin in childhood.
And I wasn't talking about whi Jooin loved, I was talking about how we didn't real see their moments outside of just intercourse, we didn't see them progress their relationship as much since all we saw was them most arguing after S1.
I have to disagree here three year time skip is perfect. One year time skip would basically the same shit repeat lol because they would still be students studying in the same uni and I don't think it would be enough time for to heal, grow and mature. Three year time skip is perfect as they are now working and have matured.
More than anything it was necessary for Yahwi's character to find his own life outside Jooin first which turned out to be fruitful as he made many valuable friendships in Newyork.
Why would he stay in the same country where he could bump/meet Jooin anytime? Lol it would've bye simply more difficult for him to start afresh If anything him staying in Korea would have made things complicated. Like he has the source to distance himself from his past and start a new life so why wouldn't he make use of it? Him moving to abroad was the perfect decision to me.
would've been*
Nah I like how it's different. It's better that way. Yahwi and Cain have two different stories in their character. It fits them this way. Yes Jooin and Yahwi were mainly toxic but that just shows they grew from that and are finally able to love eachother healthy after they have healed from all those times in the past. That's why I liked the time Skip to show how much they have grown
Ignore. I edit my comment. So the replies disappeared. Me replies bring them back
Indeed a waste.. I agree with you
Lol well I believe it comes back after a while.
Um I just started S2 without rereading S1. So Subin and Kangjin have been together for 5yrs but I'm hella confused by some of the characters saying Subin and Hyunwoo were inseparable 2yrs ago. Did anyone catch that?
2yrs dating 3 years living together, ngl I don't remember them living together before getting together. I thought ment they started to live together after 2yrs of dating
Edit: Jun said they been dating for five wtf !!
They haven't been in contact the past 5 or 4 years there must have been a translation error
I read most of S3 and I hope S3 kind helps yall settle your anger with Woojin, it did with me but I'm still iffy with him.
And I read the last chapter to S3 and it's so satisfying but I hate that S3 hasn't even started in English yet so much has happened.
Did he and taehwan resolve some things? Yeah I can’t hate Woojin as a person but I still hate him for cheating.
Nothing is resolved between them from all of S3 they met once or twice. The ending of S3 is satisfying because Woojin finally speaks up and says something that makes minho go dark and nervous that he lost his grip on woojin
Imma gonna wait for S4 to kick off before I pick up this again. I love Woojin and I don't want to hate him ╥﹏╥
Yea I understand. Definitely should wait S4. S4 could be about Woojin fixing his relationship with Taehwan and bettering himself away from Minho. It might end with an endgame but Woojin finally being independent and helping himself instead.
Might NOT* end with a endgame
Even if this is Woojin is being blackmailed, he's the one that brought this situation upon himself. Telling Taehwan would've been a better scenario than the constant cheating he will to afterwards just to protect himself and Taehwan (from finding out).
There’s always that excuse that victims can’t communicate out of fear. Which is sometimes true, everyone’s different.
But really if he loves Taehwan, he should tell the truth himself but Taehwan found out himself :(.
True, there‘s fear that one can try and reason through and then there’s fear without reason, just based on traumas and bad experiences
As much as I hate Woojin for cheating, his mental state isn’t something I can hate him for. After thinking about it, I kinda change my mind, I would probably still be with Woojin if I were taehwan, instead of breaking up, I’d try to get him to open up gradually, then tell him that he’s being abused and manipulated by that ex of his. We’d go to therapy for him long term, then if he does improve and does his best to try improving, the relationship can definitely work out.
But of course it’s up to Taehwan. He’s been hurt before and now so it’s up to him really. It can be hard when your partner is manipulation prone and such.
Knowing Taehwan, I’m sure he will understand later on if told.
I knew theres a S2 just found out its finally translated, I checked the recent chapter only....HOMIE WTF FLYING FUCK!! Subin never once told Jun he loves him? Yet I saw people blame Jun and how he's acting...this is a reasonable reaction Jun is giving.
Oh my god. He’s never said I love you to Jun? Wtf and Jun has been saying it only? That’s crazg
For real like dude....I'm so sad their 5yr relationship turn out like this. I need Subin to chase after Jun and feel regret on how he was. I need to read this season, even though I know how it ends.
when did jun say that subin never said i love you to jun?? subin said it loud and clear in ch 43
In 68. Jun doesn't say it he implies it and subin confirms it. Jun talking about after that got together since we last saw them. Subin probably hasn't said it since
Oh Yeongwoon definitely gonna use being seoin manager as an excuse to be (more) nosy and get close to seoin (again). He might not know yet but once he starts to get use to helping seoin relieve his stress "AS A MANAGER" his greed will kick in (as he said in the beginning).