Kayame's Topics (98)

He was already beaten up for it. He has realized what he has done. What more do you want?

you never cheated? Most people dont cheat just "to hurt" his/her partners and cheating doesnt mean they dont love them anymore, people is weak and there's soooo many reason for cheating, but if you partner DOES love you and DIDN'T intend to hurt you purposely then why is it wrong to forgive them? everyone cheat THUS everyone get cheated on. Accept it and get over it

If you love someone you will never look for someone else.. like seriously... he didnt intend to hurt.. maybe.. but doing it so many times .. ugggghh.. it was not even driven by alcohol or drugs.. he was in his right mind...
The shittiest thing is that... the part where he said that he forgot (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ he was joking ... sht im annoyed as f right now...(╯°Д °)╯╧╧

Me : should i make you remember with my fist bish..

You didn't understand the character then. That " if you love someone you will never look for someone else" is very close minded. He never looked for another person to love, it was JUST sex. I am not saying g what he did is not wrong but the fact still stands HE NEVER FELL OUT OF LOVE.

I understand your point not always people cheat to hurt people & everyone makes mistakes, but in the end it does hurt & it's no wrong to forgive , but that doesn't mean cheating is good or correct because in some point it's kind of egoistic if you think about it i mean when you realize that it's really wrong what your doing & your conscious that it will hurt your partner & you keep doing it man you can't use as an excuse "i didn't mean to hurt you" , well anyway if you read the raws probably you saw that it's not so healthy their relationship & think it would have been better that the seme made the uke work for his forgiveness instead of beating him...

People think that those who cheat are going around "looking" for someone to cheat with, and maybe there are some as*holes like that but those dont really love their partners so they dont care, but most people cheat because they have such moments of weakness, and is not like your body is asking for new meat lol but maybe because you are unsatisfied with your life, because you have doubts, because there's something in that person that you like or "need" but that doesnt mean you need THAT person or that you love that person, because if you do then you just dump your current partner and go after the new one. I always believe that even though being cheated on is awful you have to at least notice that the one one being chosen is still you, I've cheated and I've been cheated on and I realised by the later that my partner still chose me in the end, every day, I dont know how important it is to people to be the "only one they f*ck" but to be the one they chose to be with and love every day is quite amazing, after all that person has no "obligation" to you and doesn't belong to you but he/she still expend their lives with you... but half an hour sex is still more relevant?

I've cheated and i've been cheated on too & both things felt awful, but what i mean it's of course the temptation it's powerful sometimes & when you cheat it's because you feel that something is missing or maybe because you get used to the attention of your partner, but what I wanted to make clear its that you can't jus go around cheating even though your in love & can excuse yourself with it wasn't my fault & always hoping for your partner to forgive you, I think in that case it's better to end things and make yourself clear, because yes nobody owns nobody but everyone has a limit & feelings, but of course if you want to be forgive you need to work for it & in the end if it's love you will realize what was wrong & learn from the mistake. No it's no more relevant but if it's still happen after you ale ready realize that it was a mistake & you still doing it & doing it that would be awful, because if you chose too be with somebody it's because you decided that he/she can be your other half.

i understand your perspective.but the uke could have been forgiven if it was a on time thing. do it once, get it out of your system over. when he repeatedly goes behind the seme's back, it is obvious he is looking for something more. it is moral to break up, for both their sakes. he should respect that the seme does not deserve such infidelity.
you cant stop yourself then leave your partner if you respect him. you are not worth his affection.
although from the seme's perspective it might seem cruel. it is the right thing to do
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Oh yeah i'm that anonymous, yes i know that that's what i meant when i said that at the end independently that nobody owns nobody everyone have their limit & feelings, & that if you keep doing it & doing you cant always hope for forgiveness, its better to end things & make yourself clear, i meant it too when i said that if you choose to be in a serious relationship with someone its because you really want to be with he/she... I said everything in the previous comment

But what is that more? Sorry if this rebuttal keeps going on circles but it's just that even if Natsuki kept on going back to the same person, they didn't spend nights together. It was just a "hi, hello, let's fuck, goodbye". Like the comments above courtesy of Ritsu, Natsuki goes back to Arata because all Ryouma was was a fuck buddy. To my understanding, the only instance that a relationship should cease is when you don't and/or can't love your partner anymore. Love meaning the emotion alone not the act of making love or sex.

In this case, they still both love each other and reality is, they don't want to let go of each other, thus they both endured.

but then, what about the seme's feeelings. should he keep on loving the uke, he wont change? when trust is broken......its like "i can forgive, but i cannot forget". and that something more...only the person who cheated would be able to answer that.
personally, i am not buoyant enough to learn that my partner cheated(once or repeatedly), forgive him and go back to the same equilibrium.
insecurity, pride, guilt, ....the love wont remain as honest. the status quo will fester to sadder relationship

But somehow its pretty toxic

But that's exactly the point of beating Natsuki. It's not like he got away with what he did, was forgiven and everything went back to normal. You in particular cannot maybe beat up the person who cheated on you which is why you cannot fathom to continue the relationship but Arata did, beaten him into a pulp ms was able to release all that anger and sear into Natsuki that he is wrong. Yet at the same time telling him that he, Arata, won't give up on him just because he cheated.

What in particular? Then getting back together is toxic because they will keep on doubting each other? Arata fears Natsuki will cheat again while Natsuki fears Arata will beat him up at any instance he does something wrong, even not relating to cheating.

Could be. It's possible but I don't think they will be that toxic and eventually tire each other out. After all, they have been together for so long. It's a one time thing.

Well love its powerful but nothing guarantees that's not going to happen again or maybe no who knows, in a relationship sadly its not just about love, respect, trust are important too & when the confidence it's broken its really delicate the situation, you can love someone with all your strength but at the end everyone have their limits & feelings....

Which I think it's only fair for both of them. The trauma of being cheated on and raped and almost beaten to death has the same effect on each other's trust.

A relationship is always two ways. If the other partner has given up then the other should, too. In this case they don't want to give up, exactly why Natsuki lied and Arata kept the relationship.

Yes at the end they decided to keep the relationship, it's obvious that what they did was incorrect (cheat & beat), but sometimes I think people confuse love with the fact of clinging to someone or something, whatever the reason is & cant tell that this is the case, but if you say it like that it still sounds unhealthy

It will be unhealthy if they will keep going back at it. That's one of the many causes that destroy a relationship or someone, not being able to move forward. For Natsuki and Arata, we don't know how they will be in the future since obviously the series ends. They have exhausted pretty much everything, Natsuki being able to taste someone else other than Arata and Arata exhausting all of that anger and frustration towards Natsuki, there's really nothing that they need to hold against each other anymore, add that they know each other so well already since middle school(?). Based on their circumstances alone, they can hold it out well, I think. If it were another case though, I don't think other couples can stay together like they will.

Well yeah of course if they move on its ok, but if they keep doing that it would be awful, what i just wanted to make clear its that the way they managed their actions was awful & there was another ways... & yeah we won't know because the series are over doe now...

But reading so many stories about cheating, especially how they were cheated on and how most comments say Natsuki is irredeemable, Arata exhausting it all out sounds/looks more helpful than keeping it all in and resorting to hate, blaming and giving up. Natsuki and Arata did not give up on each other because they know their love is still mutual. They just needed to expel everything out of their system to start anew without having to break up, which let's admit, rarely ever done in IRL. But when thinking about it, what Natsuki and Arata did worked and made sense, it's just that our society is very strict with what is acceptable or not.

Well i never said that he shouldn't be forgiven & yeah the love that they have for each other was so powerful that they solutioned their problems & that worked for them & it's ok to forgive, but cheating its incorrect & beating too, not because just of the society says that, it's wrong because it hurts you & it's obvious because at the end it causes damages fiscally & emotionally it's something that you can't ignore...

Not just because of what society says*

I also never said that by accepting what Natsuki and Arata did to each other means it is correct. It just works, that's the inevitable truth. And based on the comments, the fact that they got back together is being somewhat ignored or scorned because most people don't want to think outside the box. I am not meaning to offend but it really is the case. It always black or white.

And I don't they have ignored what they both did. Well, let's see how Arata did. By addressing what they did is by apologizing to each other, and it doesn't have to be spoken, they could do it in some other way. Natsuki didn't ignore what he did, he accepted Arata's wrath, that was his apology. Let's see how Arata will address what he did. But moving forward does not equate to ignoring the issue.

Oh okay thanks for made clear your comment, now i understand you, when you said that the problem was that the society don't understand, i misunderstood because of the context, yeah I understand what you mean about that the people don't want to think outside of the box...
Yes of course moving forward doesn't mean that the problem was ignore...

Thanks for taking the time to understand as well. I always get misunderstood because I have a different perspective about the story more often than not and with the lack of vocabulary and my way with words I couldn't get the point across.

It's ok, its just that one comment you support the comment of Ritsu, and I think he/she didn't use the correct words, because Ritsu was somehow trying to say that cheating wasn't bad meanwhile you still love your partner & that it wasn't something to take seriously, but you were agree with the fact that it wasn't bad that Arata forgive Natsuki because they solved their problems in their own ways, but that doesn't mean that what they did was correct

Or am i wrong?

I read the last comment by Ritsu and what I agree with it is that it is also important to know the reason why the other person cheated, instead of just shoving everything away and end it. In other words, the classic "I don't need any other reason apart from you cheating on me" behavior/mentality. Fucking and making love are completely different in context though they are both acts of sexual intercourse. And for the part of the cheated, it is good to consider that you are not a fuck buddy but the person who your partner spends most of their time with, goes home to every night and makes love to, over someone they spend an emotionless 1-2 hour fuck/sex with, whether that fuck buddy is the same person every time or not.

So I don't think the comment ever hinted that cheating wasn't bad but its how you deal with cheating depends on what you prioritize in, value in and expect from your partner. Which if you insert Arata in this concept, it is exactly what he did, yeah he beat Natsuki up and still could've have broken up with him but he didn't. What you said about my point that Arata forgiving Natsuki wasn't bad was also correct.

Well of course its important to hear an explanation about why your partner was cheating, but that doesn't mean that the act was correctly justifiable, probably if the case were that i don't know the things between them were going wrong, but in this case Arata didn't do something bad to give Natsuki a reason to cheating on him, ok but what about the respect & about the difference between fuck & make love it's huge, i would understand if the were in an open relationship but Arata never agree something like that, it's a little bit egoist say something like "yeah i fuck with other people, but its not bad because at the end the one that I love you its you". Yes at the end the way you solve things depends in what you prioritize & i understand your point that you should think about it before you act & no just focus in the thing he/she did wrong & ignore the other things that did right (but i think love shouldn't be used as an excuse for something bad)

Hearing the reason behind it doesn't mean you will or should forgive them right away. For Arata and Natsuki's case, it wasn't a mutual arrangement for Arata that they would be in an open relationship. That's why what Natsuki did was wrong, not only he lied and kept it as a secret, they are in an exclusive relationship. After getting beaten up, why did Arata stay in the relationship? It's because he prioritized their emotional connection and love over a carnal and physical temptation Natsuki was not able to fight and stop on his own.

Again the point is being misunderstood, it doesn't mean that you are able to accept and forgive your partner for cheating means what they did is not wrong/bad. The point that was presented was that of the cheated. You being cheated and finding what is more important in the relationship, the sex or the love, and finding in yourself to forgive. The statement you presented was that of the cheater, that statement is not asking for forgiveness and being, like you said, an egoist. If a cheater says that, fuck them and let them burn in hell. That's being arrogant, period.

Ritsu and I's point is from the perspective of the cheated ALONE. They get to decide whether they can pardon their partner or not but the cheater can never call that kind of shots because they are suppose to apologize and repent. What they can only do is explain their side and be sincere about it, the judgement lies with the cheated.

Sorry it's been a long hehe, Omg that's what i was talking about all this time if you put it like that obviously make sense, that's what i meant there weren't used the correct words & make a big misunderstood. I don't know if Ritsu really meant that but the way you said sounds complete different...

EXAaaaCTLY.
you have spoken the message I also got, my friend. I feel like all because of some stupid 'fate pairs' the alpha and omega will be together. I want the omega to be with the beta because it really feel righteous to do so. The way that the beta held the omega was so precious that it made me want to tear up a lil bit as well :) ╥﹏╥

Awww man. That's what I was hoping the author wouldn't do. I felt they were depicting a strong message of "choosing our own fate" rather than (in this case) letting society dictate our futures. It's a stellar message which the author seemed to be executing in such a powerful way so far, & if done, would've been empowering after seeing all the hell the MC has gone through. But if they choose to go that route, it will all feel pointless with the MC being just as oppressed as the beginning. I guess we shall see what the author chooses..

(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ I agree! :D Nice discussion, my friend.

I hope that happens.. I am so with you on that ..He really needs to make it clear that he loves her because right now she looks like she is the third wheel ... I really want Ryu to be happy at the end of this manga tsundere or not they treat her like shit.