
This is why you never ever ever ever everrrrrrrrrrr everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr allow the presence of your assualter near you ever. You call them out, report them to authority if you can and cut them off forever. No matter who they are. Because they think if it was okay the first time, it'll be okay everytime

I'm not on park yejun's(the actor that Hyung- seo tortured) side at all, nor do I think he's innocent at all but by God i would be shit scared too(most of us would be) if someone so powerful murdered someone in front of me and told me to stay quite and abide by him or he would kill me next. I'm not at all saying that yejun being quite about his cousin's murder was anything right at allll, but we all know we would do the same in order to prevetour lives too. We would legit stfu or we would be dead. So while I don't excuse yejun's behaviour at all but I do understand it. :'(((

I also understand why he kept secret his cousin's murder since the only other option was dying too. I agree with you and absolutely don't blame him for that.
But I think yejun went too far when he came back to see psycho hyungseo several years later because he became greedy about his career success. It was also bad of him to keep being attracted to hyungseo as his cousin's murderer. His life would still be good even if he didn't reach out to hyungseo again for more.

I'm soooooooo interested in seeing how mingwa is going to convince readers that jaekying deserves to be forgiven and should be the end game for dan. Coz most same readers know this is wayyyy out of the hands of the author now and I wanna see what will make us agree that he deserves any redemption

There's no way anyone thinks jiwon and jaekying are the same level of assholes. No fricking way. If jiwon is level 10 on that scale, jaekying is atleast a 1000. Jiwon was redeemable since the starting. Jaekyung hasn't been redeemable for one fucking second of this story. Not even with a tragic backstory. Only dick rider low IQ girlies are gonna accept his redemption arc coz ain't no way he deserves any forgiveness.

I think there might be a misunderstanding here. It’s important to distinguish between different levels of character flaws and their potential for redemption. Comparing Jaekyung to Jiwon isn’t entirely accurate to how I read Shiki’s comments. If we consider a scale of 1 to 10 for problematic behavior, Jiwon might be around a 2, while Jaekyung could be closer to a 4. This doesn’t mean Jaekyung is irredeemable—just that he’s not on the same level of severity as Jiwon.
There are worst seme who have been redeemed. Jaekyung is nothing compared to some of them.
It’s worth noting that many characters who start off with significant flaws can and do undergo meaningful redemption arcs. For instance, characters like Jiwon and others in similar narratives have shown growth and change. Jaekyung, despite his flaws and abusive tendencies, could also follow a path of development that resonates with readers as Mingwa has suggested it will happen. The key is how well this arc is executed and how the author addresses these issues.
Also, it’s important to engage in discussions about character development respectfully. Dismissing other readers’ opinions with derogatory terms doesn’t contribute to a constructive dialogue. Critiquing a character’s actions is valid, but personal attacks and assumptions about readers’ intelligence don’t help anyone understand different perspectives better. I find your ad hominem unredemble but using that ad hominem to attack people who understand the truth shows everyone you know you are wrong. If you were confident you wouldn’t attack people who are different from you.
Anyways, everyone has different thresholds for what makes a character redeemable or not, and that diversity of opinion is what makes discussions about such stories interesting. If the redemption arc is handled thoughtfully, even characters who start off as problematic can become compelling and relatable.

Shiki and Slay.
I think there’s some confusion about the terms and the characters' behaviors. Let’s unpack this a bit.
Firstly, regarding Jiwon and Jaekyung: Jiwon’s behavior at the start of BJ Alex may have been harsh or ruthless, but calling it “mercy” might not be the best term. I think I understand what Shiki means.
He was indeed cruel, but not in the same way as Jaekyung. Jaekyung’s actions in Jinx are more complex and troubling, and it’s crucial to differentiate the nature of their behaviors.
Slay. it’s important to use accurate terms when discussing sensitive topics. While Jaekyung’s behavior is problematic and abusive, the term "sociopath" and "rapist" might not be fully accurate without proper context. Legally, Jaekyung’s behavior could be categorized as sexual assault rather than rape, depending on the specifics of consent and the legal definitions applied. It’s key to recognize the difference between emotional and financial exploitation versus direct physical abuse.
Jaekyung asking for money or other benefits in exchange for sexual favors isn’t necessarily financial abuse in the legal sense. It might be ethically and emotionally exploitative, but financial abuse typically involves more coercive or deceitful control over a person’s finances. However, the power dynamics and manipulation involved in Jaekyung’s actions are undeniably troubling and can be seen as forms of emotional and psychological abuse.
The important part is to discuss these issues clearly and respectfully. Recognizing the nuances helps in understanding the character’s actions without downplaying the severity of the abuse depicted. This allows for a more informed and constructive discussion about the narrative and character development

No. They are not delusional. It’s important to consider sometimes people might not use the most precise terms to express their thoughts, especially if they are using another language instead of their native language.
They were talking about how Jiwon was at the beginning and to them that could be their perspective on the term “mercy”. Not everyone will always express themselves in the most accurate way. I don’t.
It could be more productive to consider what they were trying to address and convey.
Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes in how they describe things. If we try to understand the intent or their meanings then maybe we can have more constructive discussions.

Jiwon is a rapist who extorts his weak and desperate victim for sex in exchange for money?? How is his character easily redeemable compared to jk..
What you are describing does not fit to either story or seme. Go up a few comments " Persistent Quill July 27, 2024 1:37 am"
It starts with
"Shiki and Slay."
Jaekyung is not a rapist. He never extorts Dan. What story are you reading?
No this is not "defending" Jaekyung. It is exposing your lies with the real story.

No, I won't continue discussing with them, the moment you tell them it's a fictional story, and that every mingwas stories ends well (so yes u're gonna like every character bad or not) they question your way of thinking. It's like your hurting their feelings by not agreeing with them lol so childish. Come back to me when y'all start simping for him.

Please let's engage in respectful discourse. Personal attacks, insults, and dismissive comments not only hinder productive discussions but also create an environment where meaningful exchanges are lost. Let’s focus on understanding each other’s perspectives and addressing points with respect and clarity. By fostering a respectful and thoughtful discussion, we can better navigate complex issues and find common ground.

Ouais, peut-être qu'on devrait débattre avec ma langue alors pour voir si vous arrivez à ne serait-ce que tenir la cadence de cette conv. Je parle anglais parce que c'est la seule langue que vous parlez, et vous n'hésitez pas une seconde à vous rabattre sur le non-natif, c'est à mourir de rire looool je me demande ce que ça donnerait un 3v1 et français votre 4ème langue :) Ah sinon si, si, c'est du spam, ma grosse,

If the translator is right.
They claimed you were fighting when they were the ones fighting. They clean you created pointless debates and just disappeared. We never created debates and what we have been in has never been pointless. They are just deflecting again.
Where has Shiki debated anything from after you defended them? How is you defended them or safety helping them and stopping the fighting, starting drama or causing a fight ? That seems like that hate group narrative.
Shiki is attacking everyone even the ones who defended them. Spam is not a glitch or trying to post a message that will not send due to a glitch. Calling that spam is weird but it is weird Shiki is claiming minors are annoying you? That is that hate group narrative and a strawman argument.
That is a catfish or sockpuppet account. Since we know three of them from the hate groups has spoke French here and with maybe up to 5 can speak French. It is easy to narrow down who that person may be.

If the translator is right, Shiki is claiming his defender is starting fights, causing drama and then leaving. That is deflection. Safety came in to stop the fight which Shiki tried to fight them over their misuse on the word spam. Then they started to claim strawman arguments showing they knew who the targets are even though we changed are names.
It is brainless to attack the one who defend you and then saying they start a fight when they did not. Then making states shown they knew who we are with name changes when they are part of that hate group that is harassing us.

I was basically based my defense of Shiki from two comments. I was wrong. But reading those comments again “Ye why, I don't see any difference. Jiwon had no mercy at start, JK helped uke even if it was for his own benefits”
There is a difference between Jiwon and JK. JK is more abusive. Jiwon did have mercy at the start. It would be definitely different if Jiwon had no mercy at the beginning. That would make Jiwon worse than Jaekyung and JK helped Dan but some of it wasn’t for his own benefit. Some of it was for Dan. He didn’t have to do some of the things he did.
You were right on what they were doing.
I should have read carefully.
I defended someone who is now clearly attacking and gaslighting me.
Sales lady ultimate slayyyyyy. Girlie pop knew what was up.(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ