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i agreeee everything you said

yeah tbh we needed some character development on suha's side

I agree with what you said but still I think Suha shows he likes Jiwoon... I mean, in his way, I remember how he was so upset when that dumb redhead took his project from Jiwoon. He told Jiwoon he was perfect.

Suha worries about him all the time, he let Jiwoon have sex with him even though he wasnt 100% comfortable at the time. Actually, he had just got out of a horrible situation. And afterwards he even reassured him when Jiwoon was crying, he told him that he was all the was thinking about. His actions said "it's okay". He said he was also insecure. He said he didn't wanna leave him but Jiwoon was completely blinded by his fears. Suha doesnt want to make him worry about his problems. He doesn't want to weight Jiwoon with his past that's why he himself wanted to talk to the shitty readhead.

But the thing is, Suha is experienced with this type of relationship, he was abused and he's insecure all the time so better not to risk it, right!! Why would he tell Jiwoon he likes him if he's not even sure himself? He only needs time, I'm sure. And it's so difficult to admit that you're loving again after being hurt so badly. It's difficult to trust again when in the past you've been humiliated by someone you thought loved you. Now Jiwoon is reeeeally not going to the right path because Suha is head over heels for him but all he sees is his own insecurities and trauma.

But, to finish, I don't think Suha's actions aren't from someone who dislikes Jiwoon but rather from someone who is mature and true to what he's feeling...

But yeah, they really need to talk. LOL I consider Suha and Jiwoon a very good couple in bl, yaknow. It's a pity the author said it'll get dark this new season. I rlly liked their relationship the way it was.

It doesn't matter his trauma and insecurities, Jiwoon will fuck everything up if he keeps doing shitty things like taking Suha's phone. He's going to hurt the only person he doesn't wanna hurt. And it'll be his own fault. It's such a pity, Jiwoon was one of the best bl characters I've read :( especially among tops lol

We're 72 chapters in and the only time we see suha showing jiwoon affection to his face is him crying for jiwoon when that project got snatched and that druggie ch. So yeah jiwoon is insecure.

I completely understand that suha doesnt want to just jump into the relationship with jiwoon cos of what happened to him in the past. Yes being used and abused by the one you love is traumatic but the fact is jiwoon doesnt know anything about that. So all suhas behavior is telling him is "suhas distant cos he doesnt like me enough. What do i have to do to close this distance bet us." So that leads him to think that the biggest reason suhas staying with him is his body (he said this outloud to suha) And that makes him scared. We know that suhas head over heels for him cos we see him protecting and crying and defending jiwoon against red head but jiwoon didnt see it. We see him wanting to send a heart to jiwoon thru text but in the end he changed it so again jiwoon doesnt know. Hes stating all he feels in his inner monologue emphasis on "inner". And it doesnt help that suha doesnt know that jiwoon is aware/insecure about readhead and suhas rel in the past. Lol

Yes thats what im saying. The only visible confirmation of suhas feelings to jiwoon is that he stayed with jiwoon (which was still centered around sex huhu) and that he waited and comforted jiwoon the night after. But jiwoon also saw him choose red head over him that night. Hes so drugged i dont think he heard the bastard threaten suha.

All im saying is people should also start holding suha accountable for whats happening right now. We all love cute and hot suha but i feel like almost everyones on suhas side and just being disappointed on jiwoon when its both their faults.

Seriouly! Hahaha half their problems would go away if they. Just. Talk. Lol they were starting to get lovey dovey and sweet too hes just starting to open up his heart for jiwoon and the redhead ruined it huhu

Gotta disagree on "itll be his own fault" lets stop putting all the blame on jiwoon and realize that suha has a hand in it too (=・ω・=)
And yeah jiwoons trauma and insecurities matter too not just suhas.

We're 72 chapters in but these two times (I guess rereading I could spot more!) were really valuable ones. Let's just not forget how he agreed to go with his abuser to save Jiwoon against redhead that time too. I believe this is a major thing. He was afraid as fuck but he did it anyway because he loved Jiwoon. He faced his fear to save his reputation, how strong is that? When did Jiwoon did something of the sort for him?

The way he just didn't blame Jiwoon one biiiit for what happened that night. He's done just like you said: he comforted him so dearly! Like he was also the victim which is true. But he didn't even think about it when he woke up, yaknow? This is a great show of affection: emotional comfort and forgiveness.

Jiwoon shows affection giving Suha comfort, buying things, flirting, doing things for him, having sex the way he enjoy. These are amazing, sweet things but they're not a big problem for him. He'll show real love when he forgives and trusts.

I'm aware Jiwoon doesn't know, we're biased bc we're the readers, I totally get your point but Suha also doesn't know Jiwoon loved him since he was a kid and didn't know he's got insecurities towards redhead because of that. Annnnnd, yes... that is true, Jiwoon told you he also wants Suha to love him and not only his body. Suha was starting to open up and they were lovey dovey <3 when that piece of shit readhead appeared!! But yeah, maybe Suha should open up more about his feelings towards Jiwoon, I'm sure he'd die from happiness lololol remember when he came remembering Jiwoon's confession? If he was more vocal about these things jfdkjf or when he thinks Jiwoon is cute...

Hmmm the thing is: when your partner doesn't 100% reassure your feelings, do you start to take their phone away, and lie straight to their face? And if you do, you'll say your behavior it's *their* fault for not reassuring you enough? I don't think you do! And I don't think Suha is even 0,1% guilty for Jiwoon's behavior, if he's insecure, that's his problem to deal with and talk with Suha and not mistreat him! Even if you got a trauma with something this isn't an excuse for bad behavior. If someone act toxic towards their partner (even if it's bc of their trauma), they're being abusive, period!

Nobody is entitled to someone else nor they're responsable for their mental health. Suha also came from an abusive relationship that wounded him deeply and if he's done something to trigger Jiwoon and Jiwoon is pissed off and super insecure and start to do toxic things that's not Suha's fault. Suha will only suffer again because his partner couldn't trust him enough because he's too blinded by his insecurities.

Jiwoon trauma matters of course! But it's not the way to act like this. His character is so good - I could go on and on about how he's so thoughtful and caring. That's why I felt so bad when he was acting like this. kfdsbfhdsbj likeeee pls Jiwoon you're better than this!!!!! Suha already loves you so much!!! ╥﹏╥

Omg its soooo long. Hahahaha not at us making whole ass essays because of jiwoon and suha. Lmao

Yeah its a big thing for suha. Him going with red head and yeah im being redundant but again jiwoon doesnt know that. Lol he doesnt know that suha was going with his "abuser" in his mind he chose to go with his past love
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This is what im saying. Theyre behaving the way they are cos theyre both unaware of what happened to other, so people shouldnt just blame one cos to some degree suhas done something too. Jiwoon will be able to forgive and trust when their relationship is stable. Trust doesnt just happen. Its earned. If suha try to show jiwoon half of what hes showing us then for sure jiwoon would mellow out.

Anyway im not excusing jiwoons behavior. I agree its a tad bit too obsessive. All im saying is lets not put all the blame on jiwoon(i keep on seeing people being pissed at jiwoon here) and look about how it happened. What i want is people to somewhat sympathize with jiwoon. Not just hate him but understand him. And im saying it again but i want people to also hold suha accountable for whats happening. Cos in a relationship when you know your partners stressing about something you help to alleviate whatever bad feeling theyre feeling. Right? The thing is theyre both unknowingly giving stress to eo cos theyre not saying what they feel. They both just act according to what they think would help the other but the kicker is theyre both wrong in how theyre doing things. Lmao

Now i gotta disagree to no ones responsible for other peoples mental health. Thats sooo not true. Cos what people say to us or does to us affects us mentally, more so if its people you love. People literally kill themselves because of how theyre treated by other people i.e. bullying. Thats why theres a saying "we should all be kind to eo" right? And in a relationship of course theyre both accountable for what theyre feeling. Its called "partners" for a reason

And not to bs redundant but WE know that suha loves him so much but jiwoon doesnt
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Lets just blame that red haired mofo for peace. Hahahaha lets chant "kill him off. Kill him off!" Lol

omg look at ussss lol xD im giggling rn,

but really!! I'll still have to disagree with you! I think we're probably gonna talk forever trying to convince each other but-

Yeah, on this one you're right. Jiwoon doesn't know Suha is going with his abuser but Suha doesn't know Jiwoon care so much about that. I don't think he's even aware how that affected Jiwoon because he always looks calm and acts like he doesn't care in front of him. So exactly lol that's also what I'm saying, they need to ~talk~ but they still dont know that! jfkndskjfds it's revolting!!

I disagree: if you're with someone, you need to trust them. It's not earned, if you care about someone it's important that you trust them. If you don't, things will fall out of there, you'll imagine things and not talk things out...

I understand Jiwoon till the point he starts to toxic behaviour. When you tell us "Suha" also needs to be held accontable, it sounds like you're telling us Suha is somewhat responsable for his own abuse, because his partner needed reassurance it wasn't given by him. It doesn't sound like "let's understand Jiwoon's side/part"

Yeaah but said it right, ppl are responsable for what they say and how they act towards other people (Suha never mistreated him or told him hurtful things). But not their mental heath. Our mental health it's our problem because it's subjective and only we know how we feel. You can only say (you think) it's beautiful things to your partner and it still can affect their mental health somehow because for everyone it's different. And Suha doesn't knooow anything!! Jiwoon didn't tell him how this was affecting him..... and I have to disagree when u say he doesn't show affection!

I mean, when they agreed to be in this relationship, it was because Jiwoon told him he could win his heart, that he shouldn't be afraid to get in a new relationship, that he wont regret choosing Jiwoon. But now he's insecure inside a relationship he himself agreed to be on. It his partner's time he needs to follow, not his own... kndkjfds but anyway, I can understand how he felt insecure like that but thats not Suha's fault...

vndkfdskjfds im sorry,this always turns way too longggggg xD

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No he prolly just didn’t care about what the guys real name was if that makes sense. Like he probably only called him jungwoks name or didn’t say his name at all