The story is based in the US but it looks like author didn't research how schools over there actually works, what rural is, or the how the society over in the US interacts, the skin comment and how the school looks were a big away, skincare for man is not as important for men in the US so no one would be commenting on his skin lol, i bet there won't be many poc either. But I think this is funny, because there's people that have an idealized SK as well HAHAHHAH
I'm also not from the US but even I can't tell that's just how stuff works over there ╥﹏╥ it's so funny
I wrote everything wrong sorry
I'm not from the US as well but I grew up with their media as my country doesn't produce TV shows, only like 3 movies a year. I've always loved research and books so every time I saw a US show or the news of my country were talking about the US, I asked questions to americans on some platforms, read books and news sources from their country, to find out what was real, and what not, then I grew up and traveled there and is obviously not what you see on TV shows or on mainstream media. Same with SK, except I haven't been able to travel there yet.
No worries pookie ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
I would make him clean the apartament with his powers, I mean, he's the one complaining about it being disorganized and started showing off his powers, might as well put them to good use ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
I have MANY questions, SPOILERS WELCOME.
Ok, so uke wanted to know more about seme, but instead of asking him directly he went to a bar, alone and while being an omega (which is the equivalent of our real life woman alone in danger in a club) and get answers from a complete stranger that even the seme told him to stay clear off???????
And even after the incident happens he's not asking himself, why did piercing guy set me up to be raped? And even if he's giving him the benefit of the doubt, does piercing guy knows those dudes? He cited me there so maybe he knows something about the place, why is he not reporting anything to the police? Why is he not asking seme anything about piercing guy? He was about to be gang raped by seme's "friend" is natural to have these questions for seme, like who exactly is he, how long have they known each other, etc, you know just looking to know if piercing dude is a fucking psycho.
Why is this being brushed off? All we got was a tiny scene of him being scared and then everything has been put aside to fix the friendship and have sex with seme basically right after.
IF ANYONE HAS SPOILERS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THIS IS ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE PLEAAAAAAASE
I don't even know why I took this assault seriously when seme literally raped him the first time, so obviously rape is gonna be brushed off here, I'm an idiot
From what I understand Uke didn't want to create drama out of it and make himself an idiot in front of Seme. IMO, he looks more idiotic by not addressing it. Anyway, the club scene is more for Seme and how he's gonna regret it.
where do you read the raw manhwas?
I don't understand why didn't he just buy the food, you waste more money in medications or the hospital if you pass out and get hurt (trust me on that one) and if he's paid hourly, hour that you don't work, hour that won't be paid, which he knows first hand because when he had the accident he had to stop working and that worsened his financial situation, do you not learn from what you've been through??????
I understand there are other expenses as well, but he will eat at the end of the day anyways. Maybe he didn't want to waste money because he has food at home, in which case why not just prepare your own lunch for work? Not like we know any details since the author hasn't explained almost anything about him, does he study? Does he has hobbies? how are his living conditions? Does he has any friends or acquaintances besides that one person that recommended him that job?
I think he's sending most of his money to his mum and living off of rice & kimchi at home, so buying a lunchbox likely seemed like a 'luxury' he couldn't afford.
I think it’s the lose sum mindset of his.. since his situation exacerbates his mindset to always suggest the most difficult option bc he “deserves it” and what OP ^ said too highlights that he sees everything as luxurious or superfluous to his situation :(
It turns back to what I said before, the lunch box that he sees as "luxury" will be the least of his problems if he gets hurt or too sick, because hospital and medication bills will be more expensive than the lunchbox, and if he expends too much on medical bills he can't help his mom.
Is a chain: gets hurt —> can't work —> no work —> no money —> with no money —> uses savings to afford bills —> savings partially gone —> sends less money to mom.
My guess is that maybe he's more mentally unstable than what we have seen, or the author just didn't bother to think about it, according to people that have read ahead, the story doesn't make much sense anyways.
You're not making sense either, because some people irl actually do live like this..?
I don't think you comprehended throughly what I wrote if you say I'm not making sense. I said what I said because I WENT THROUGH THAT, I know what I'm talking about.
So DID I? I'm saying that some people actually do live not for themselves, but for their love ones.
(Take the MC as an example). We all think differently and it's on them whether they think they chose the right or wrong decisions.
You said so yourself "some people actually do live not for themselves, but for their love ones" this is what I'm referring to as well on my hypothetical discussion, how are you going to help your loved one financially (which is this case) when you have no money because you felt yourself about to faint but instead of eating you fainted causing medical bills and hours not paid due to fainting? Which one is more expensive, a dingy sandwich or a medical bill? With what money are you going to help if you're living and helping paycheck to paycheck?Understand now?
He already went through this when he had the accident, so why is he acting like he doesn't know the consequences? This is why I reached the conclusion that the author didn't really paid to much mind to that and according to readers that read the raws the story is lacking some sense later on, so I'm just going to throw all sense out of the window and move on.
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You're making sense but that's not what I meant by that at all. Like living for other people does not just mean financially helping them or helping them in other ways, I mean like constantly looking for approval of those around you(eg, his mom and that ML guy smth). If that clarifies it. He honestly looks like he is ready to die until he developed some type of validation from ML. Plus I'm only talking about this part of story to share my perspective, it's understandable if you think the later on parts are poorly-written.
The story was nice but after chapter 22 it just turned stupid, the fights are stupid, the other two characters might as well not exist, Yohan always puts himself first and never thinks about anyone's else future or what they're currently doing and dealing with, Gyeom takes out his insecurities on Yohan, and at the end neither takes accountability for what they're doing.
I hate egotistical characters that we're supposed to like because they're aloof and "quirky"98 and thats "cute". The blonde seme, even in the bedroom in chapter 12 all he could think about was himself, Yoo wasn't in the mood at all and just offered to suck him off because blonde's words were reminding him of his guilt trauma from the past, and at work he's always so fucking grabbie, this is borderline childish not exactly aloof adult, that infantilization is very fucking weird, they could lose their fucking jobs, is not normal behavior WTF.
*not aloof I meant airhead
he's what u call an airhead
Why are people complaining about his looks and "old" attitude? Are you guys not reading and comprehending?
Up until now he's been depressed for a long time because he's lacking things that he thought would be fulfilled by now, he barely has friends, no hobbies, no motivations, and a few of his friends accomplished something that he deems very important: a stable partner and a family, his friends have accomplished one of his dreams, he might also feel left behind.
He's also an almost 40 year old gay man, and in one of the panels he said that it was hard to have a relationship precisely because of homoxesuality, which means that in the context of this story homosexuality is frowned upon making it harder on him to navigate the society in search for a partner, he also said that it was just a hassle, as if even getting himself out there and just try is not worthy, this is just so sad.
He's on autopilot, eat, sleep, go to work, repeat, of course is going to take a toll on him and make him look older and very tired, and of course is going to affect his libido as well.
This is very sad, I'm finding myself in a similar situation and sometimes I wonder if anything is even worthy anymore, I feel stuck :(
First I'm going to start by saying that this is obviously a beginning artists so FOR ME the art is okayish, it'll get better with time and practice.
But I'm still irked and want to talk about this in general since using these models has become the new normal since years ago, and I've seen a lot of beginner art's having the same issue.
Now to the sauce:
This is what using 3d models for a pretty background does to beginners artists, it atrophies their drawing skills or it strays them from the point, they spent so much time looking for good 3d models to form a certain esthetic in their comic, that they forget the most important thing is the correct drawing of their own characters, the model already saves you time because you don't need to draw the background and sometimes even the shoes they wear, use that time to draw the characters better.
We DON'T NEED these elaborate 3d backgrounds that these manhwa authors and artists have been pushing. Just DRAW a couple of extremely simple backgrounds and for some others just leave it blank, use minimal backgrounds, DON'T use elaborate models if you're a beginner because all these very real models with accurate measurements just make your very beginner drawings look way worse.
If he has memory issues why doesn't he write things down? I got some memory issues as well, so I write almost everything down and put the notes somewhere I know will always be on my sight or I'll forget where I put the notes as well lol. If I'm moving around then I put the paper in a pocket with a part of the paper a bit outside so that I don't forget that I have notes on me and in which pocket.
Maybe he also forgot he has memory issues LOL
I reckon from his situation that he probably dont know how to read let alone write lol
Doesn't*, cuz like i mean nia is def like an orphan or soemtheng and he grew up with these abuses and discriminations, considering hes a goldfish and low stat he def doesnt know how to read and write probs cuz he such a cute little dummy prescious idiot
In the first few chapters, I noticed the side of the wall next to his bed is filled with sticky notes. Maybe he does write them down hence he doesn't forget after he wakes up, but probably still forgets most of them during the day when he is working(he doesn't seem to be bringing a note and pen or isnt allowed to)
I think he does know how to read because there are tons of books in his room.
Who knows maybe those aren't notes and are pictures, and I don't think they'll prohibit him to bring a booknote along because they depend on each other's work to keep the house running, so everytime he's behind on a chore, they're behind as well because they need him in other places, that's why they get mad at him when he doesn't finish kr do things on time.
There's also the possibility that the books in the room aren't his, maybe the room was used as a small deposit before he arrived and they just left the books there, but the workers are very careful with their master's stuff, I don't think they will leave his things there with the "stupid" goldfish.
I'm talking about only manhwa here / I don't understand why people hate Klauff but brush over completely what Aeroc did, almost nobody in these comments show the same hate for Aeroc, I just can't understand it.
When we see a character try to ruin others people lives (like what aeroc did to klauff by doing that to Raphael) in other stories the first thing you see in the comments is "i wish he'll die already" or "he deserves torture for doing that", but now that a character took his rightfull revenge everyone is sorry for the perpetrator? why isn't anyone here wishing badly upon Aeroc as well?
He send people to beat up a pregnant Raphael, then Raphael died, and that caused so much trauma to Klauff that he couldn't get over it and dedicated his life to torturing (which he shouldn't) the person that caused the MURDER of the love of his life and child even if it ruined his life as well, is the stupid sorry and sad background story from Aeroc all it takes for people here to forget what he did and empathize with him while wishing bad upon Klauff and completely brushing over what Aeroc did? Klauff was able to forgive Aeroc, and Aeroc understood his punishment and still forgive Klauff but people are so hung on Klauff, like there's no place for nuance or greys.
My point is, what Klauff did was wrong, because he was so consumed by trauma and pain that he inflicted upon another person what was done o him, and what Aeroc did was wrong because his jealousy was so grand that he went as far as to send people to beat up the lover of someone else without caring about the consequences, because let's be for real, he's an adult, he knew that while beating someone things can go wrong pretty badly of course he knew Raph could die yet he still gave the order anyways, so why are people so hung up on Klauff but forgiving Aeroc? Both things were horrible.
Now regarding the other seasons, I really didn't want them to be together, as it was so painful for both and in their second life they keep having memories of the past which makes it so sad to see them suffer with those memories again even in a new life, a whole other life and they can't escape those traumas, just look at how Klauff is acting and Aeroc as well, is very sad. But as I said, is a new life and they're trying to work around it.
I wonder if this has been following the novel, if there's any difference, or if the novel expands in other aspects, as this manhwa is good, but people say there's always something different and better in the novels.
Preach! I’m not sure the manwha really tackled this nuance well too. Aeroc is filled with trauma of BEING TRAPPED and being obsessed over by Klauf but it would be nice if he was haunted by Raph’s ghost or something because that event was the catalyst of his misery. But your explanation was handled beautifully.
All Aeroc wanted was to have them push Rapiel so he could miscarry. He didn't want rapiel raped, beaten, and killed. The men he hired turned out to be monsters and took it WAY too far.
Yes, that's bad that he hired them in the first place and wanted Rapiel to miscarry, but what Klauff did is monstrous in itself. He didn't know the whole story and has these internal instincts to just beat, confine, and forcefully keep Aeroc there. In his sick and twisted mind he hasn't changed. And we see it, especially with this chapter. He's fucked up in the head!
And I think you're forgetting that. Klauff is a monster and will always be a monster.
He hired people to PUSHED him so he will miscarriage not BEATEN him up. The men he hired doing the other monstrous thing without his command. It is bad too that he want something bad upon Raphiel, but it's not as bad as what Klauff did.
Still, to have random dudes conspire a plot to make a person miscarry and not realize how corrupt they are, because he was so blinded with jealousy, that’s still reprehensible. Of course, Aeroc doesn’t deserve his fate in the first timeline, but it also doesn’t deserve the blatant favoritism in the comments when the Klauf in this timeline hasn’t done a single thing. If the person you cherish enough to have a child with died due to another person’s jealousy, you would be pissed af but of course that doesn’t excuse his actions as well. Nuance.
I really thought I was alone in this, is refreshing to see somebody else agrees, notice how the other comments try look for excuses while saying is not that bad, even while describing the horrible event they say is not that bad.
No one is claiming Aeroc is innocent, but the way you’re whitewashing Kloff’s actions is genuinely concerning. You’re saying that Kloff repeatedly assaulted him, beat him, and threw him into places where others assaulted (gang raped) him too. He had three miscarriages because he was Assaulted while pregnant and also he was gang raped repeatedly. He was beaten, starved, forced into addiction, kept in a cold cabin, degraded, isolated and more. Aeroc did wrong and admitted it, but what Kloff did was far worse. So saying Aeroc is being “brushed off” is pretty nasty, especially when we’ve seen the consequences of Aeroc's actions. The fact that you’re excusing Kloff is honestly twisted.
I haven't properly finished the novel but from what I gathered there was a reason his jealousy reached such an insane point. Kloff was specifically showboating Rapiel around Aeroc every chance he got, he never let Aeroc forget even for a second and it's implied that he didn't even like Rapiel. It was his own internalized homo(alpha?)phobia that even led to him rejecting Aeroc in the first place. If Aeroc hadn't been an alpha he would've jumped for it and he only chose Rapiel because he looked like Aeroc. He also believed Aeroc to be some kind of slut (he literally made that part up in his head) when he approached him with the offer. There's probably even more too with how hard Aeroc fell from only seing Kloff just once. So not exactly a defense just more context.
I didn't wash his actions, if you read my comments I said that what Kloff did is wrong and he shouldn't have done that, because what good is to inflict so much pain upon another person to the point of ruining yourself? So I was wondering why other people washed what Aeroc did, just look at the comments beneath, they're describing the horrible event but they brush it off like it wasn't that big of a deal. If you look at the massive amount of comments since the first season, MOST people completely brushed off and washed what Aeroc did, that was my concern, you can't hate one person and completely forgive the other one when both did horrible things.
I’ve never seen anyone say what Aeroc did was right. Honestly, I’ve seen plenty of people condemn his actions. I read your comment, and it really did feel like you were excusing Kloff’s actions. What I do understand is how Aeroc’s actions are “worse” when his punishment was horrific. What he caused Raphael to go through, he ended up experiencing himself many times, including three miscarriages. Even after all that, we can’t say what he did is being brushed off. Aeroc is someone who learned that actions have consequences, and Kloff also used both Raphael and Aeroc. Saying readers are brushing off Aeroc’s actions is biased. Honestly, this whole story is built on traumatic bonding. Even readers are bounding over first life trauma
Imo their crimes/sins just carry different weights. As you said, Kloff beat, raped and abused Aeroc in that shed for years. The weight of that compared to Aeroc sending gangsters to kill a pregnant guy is just so much heavier. I don't think it's a subjective take either, one is simply way more personal and intentional than the other. We also have the benefit of constantly witnissing how Aeroc regrets his actions and accepts Kloff's abuse because he feels so bad about it.
And this might just be me, but Kloff even in this 2nd life is such an arrgoant dick sometimes. I do not like his personality at all. Sometimes I read this guy's thought bubbles and want to punch him bc he's being a classist little twerp.
Sure that doesn't make what Aeroc did perfectly acceptable, but his actions and behaviour are far more sympathetic.
Yes! That's another thing I forgot to discuss about his character Kloff is the most arrogant selfish piece of crap. It shows in every timeline, he thought he was in the right, right up until the end.
First of all Aeroc send people to scare Raphael not to kill them and then again he was indirectly involved and yes the redemption he had was tragic
Yep, I didn't feel like going into detail about that bc I feel like even ppl who haven't read the manhwa atp know the details bc of how passionately commenters defend him.
I never stated that people were saying that what Aeroc did was right, nor did I say that what he did was worse, I said people in the comments were brushing it off, as in downplaying what happened, and you know I'm right, just look at the other two comments, and most of the old comments and then tell me I'm wrong. They're literally "oh Raph was beaten, raped, murderer but is not that bad" what is that if not brushing off what happened?
But honestly I don't blame them, the story is written so that we have a clear redeemable bad person as love interest (Klauff) and a victim (Aeroc), we're even currently seeing the horrible thoughts Klauff has, how will most people acknowledge Aeroc's past when present him changed for the better, he is cute and clumsy and a better person, but present Klauff is having such terrible thoughts and is also mean and forceful sometimes, i wish they both find someone else, or Klauff could be alone.
As I said countless times before, they both did wrong and it doesn't sit right with me that Raph was the only real innocent person (besides the children) and people don't seem to really care who caused his terrible death, BOTH should be acknowledged. It also doesn't sit right with me that Klauff has a second chance with Aeroc, as I said in my other comment he caused him so much suffering. But fate keeps them tied and and they will be together, so at the end I just hope they can forget and move on.
I’m not trying to say this or that just so the argument spirals out of control and people accuse me of defending him passionately. I just want to know what readers are expected to say for anyone to be convinced we aren’t defending Aeroc’s actions. Are we supposed to say Kloff did something good? Are we supposed to say Aeroc should have lived so Kloff could keep beating him? No one supports what Aeroc did, and no one is acting like Raphael’s death was fair. But saying readers are “brushing off” Aeroc’s actions is basically accusing readers of defending Aeroc's actions, which isn’t true.
The fact that this got 11 likes truly digsusts me so much that I need to respond.
People hate Kloff more than Aeroc because Aeroc acknowledges the wrong he committed. In desperation, he sent people to intimidate Raphael, trying to SCARE him away, where they then raped and killed Raphael. Aeroc never sent them to beat him up; however, Aeroc knows that it was his actions that caused Raphael to be killed, regardless, and he lives with that guilt for the rest of his life. So when Kloff subjects him to horrific abuse (rape, torture, starvation, forced pregnancy, even confining him to a shed) Aeroc never resists or speaks out. He accepts it all as the punishment he believes he deserves. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE CONTINUE TO LIKE AEROC.
If Kloff had only tortured and killed Aeroc, most people would have accepted it as vengeance, after all, Aeroc played a role in the death of Kloff’s wife and unborn child. But that isn’t what happened. And this is important to understand clearly: Kloff did not rape, torture, and force a pregnancy on Aeroc because of Raphael. He never loved Raphael. And if anyone tries to frame rape as a gesture of love or mourning, that in itself is disgusting. Kloff’s violence was intentional, rooted not in heartbreak, but in power, control, and resentment for Aeroc being an alpha. He didn’t act out of pain; he acted out of desire, entitlement, and the satisfaction of finally dominating Aeroc without consequence and treating him like an omega.
Kloff did what he did because Aeroc wasn’t an omega, and now he finally had the opportunity to make him one. Every act was deliberate, calculated, and intentionally cruel. He wasn’t spiraling or unstable, he was in control. The only point where his sanity could be questioned is after Aeroc’s death, not before.
I mean, they can brush it off so easily because Kloff is so much worse in comparison. Sure it is wrong to defend murder, even if it's unintentional, but I think people say it like that mostly in defense of Aeroc's character within the greater context of the story, which consists mostly of Aeroc being either miserable or regretful due to Kloff being the way he is. We live the story mostly through him so can you really blame people for trying to defend him?
I second what you said though.
No, apparently we’re all cheering for Aeroc's actions. That’s what the comment makes it sound like. It’s almost as if we’re expected to suddenly stop criticizing Kloff and pretend he doesn’t deserve every bit of the backlash he gets.
You are right as well. But some people are just not open to discussion and are not reading my comment like this, they just want one point and that's all, putting things in comment that I never said or alluded to, I'm just going not going to comment on this topic anymore.
Im leaving another like lol
you did not understand what the og comment was saying, so I'm leaving another like out of spite
This response it truly so immature, childish, and embarrassing. Make a full response to my comment and then we can talk like adults.
You can just read this whole thread and my prior replies really. You're a bit late to the party, and every single point you made has already been brought up by the og comment as well as the replies, so my pettiness feels entirely justified, and if anyone should be embarrassed it is you.
Based on your embarrassing immaturity, i will not read your other replies. The OP asked a question, I answered it. That simple really, no one is obligated to read through all the responses you weirdo. “You’re late to the party” do you hear yourself? This is a comment section, people are gonna respond, get over it.
get bent
Exactly, people are gonna respond to you too. Riveting. We're on an illegal manga site that yearns for gay sex, if you want mature responses I can link some absolutely horny comment sections, that's the truest mature content you'll get on here. I'm glad I wasted your precious time, please stay disgusted.
It baffles me how you say this. No one excuses his actions and seriously, Aeroc paid for his actions severely and beyond what he deserved. He felt guilt and he regretted it. He also had NO choice and it wasn't his fault that those men did what they did. Klauff, however, was 100% his fault. He's a monster!
Everyone acknowledges what Aerok did and see that he was punished enough. Too much. So that's why people don't speak of his actions!
Girl trust me you really are embarrassing yourself... I read all the comments and your comment of "putting likes out of spite" was the most stupid one amongst all..