As someone who read Takopi's original sin. I understand why he acts and think the way he does. I will not excuse all of the horrible things he did to dan, but I emphatize with what he went through, as someone who was also went through the same things. I hope he will become a better person not only to kim dan but to everyone around him, in the foreseeable future.
This is a HOT TAKE! And people might krill me for saying this but.... The characters are really BLAND, I dont feel anything when I see them, not even for the main character when she's suffering. Even the mature scenes don't get me all hot and bothered. Im sorry but Flowers are Bait absolutely smashes this story just from the expressions of the characters to the story itself. Im not hating on the author, the characters are beautiful its just that they dont show emotions on their faces, its like looking at a WALL.
This is an opinion and its okay if people disagree with me, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
yeah its kinda stiff, just a basic smile or smirk every now and then being copy and pasted every single time w the same expression. theres no variety
facts the characters have the personality of a rock
none of the characters have a personality, they just follow a trope / stereotype
I don't think the characters are bland. Maybe you just don't relate to them.
Yeah exactly, I mean the manwha is cool with those characters, they don’t need to feel each emotion to 100%. We, ourselves, don’t feel every single emotion to 100%. So, it would be unnecessary for those characters to be super emotional. It would be even boring.
You are completely valid for saying your opinion and I respect that. However I do think its not because I cant relate to them, its just personally for me the characters act stiff most of the time. Its okay though if yall still enjoy it that okay too, that probably means you are more invested in the story than I do. The characters are absolutely beautiful too, so its a Wn still and worth a read.
A lot of people are stiff and guarded in real life. I know I am. That doesn't make them bland, in the contrary. To me this is very relatable and realistic. That's why I said you probably don't relate. You're probably an extrovert and that's ok.
Exactly. As a woman in her 30s, I deeply understand this perspective. I am guarded, I don't show emotion easily, I don't share personal details with people at work because people like to gossip. I'm old enough to know that by now. Even in this story we see how the single piece of information Haesoo has shared at work ended up being used against her by her colleague. That's what happens to adults who've been through shit. They become guarded, they have few friends, they are careful about what they share.
As Ive said its my personal opinion, Just because I said theyre bland it doesnt mean im suddenly correct. Its what im feeling when I read the story and I completely understand if you dont think I can relate to it. Im also an Introvert if you wanna know just sharing a little fact about me. My extrovert friends adopted me im their friend group.
Also im not reffering here to the people, im only saying this because I know they are fictional. I do know people act differently IRL. Im only talking about my personal dislike for the artstyle since thats my grape with it. Anyway thanks for your time, have a great day.
i'm the same but i still find her bland bc she's written as a y/n self insert and assuming someone is an extrovert just bc they disagree is very odd
I don’t think she’s a Y/N self insert. If she was, every reader would have rolled their eyes at her actions and her reactions. You know the routine of a Y/N, she would have get revenge on her ex husband and turned into a Mary Sue/ girlboss, she would feel every emotions and made a big commotion each time like everything is deep. And somehow, turn into a full time therapist for every sad male character. While the Fl is not that, she’s quiet, heartbroken and human. Her reactions aren’t based on being quirky, super sad all the time, or having tantrums. Because if she was like that every one of us would’ve said that she was doing too much. Homegirl is in surviving mode, and, we can see how she became more and more emotional with the ML’s presence. But, the only Y/N coded is her exaggerated body and how she is oversexuallized. And, that’s it. But the Fl is grounded, and just subtle. And, it’s okay that people, like you, feel like she’s bland but I feel like she stars away from being a lifeless doll.
not every y/n self insert is written the exact same and the way you speak in absolutes is again very odd
the reason why i see her as a bland y/n is bc she has no likes or interests yet it's been 60 chapters and it's only shown her as the typical broke hardworking mc she's not written as character but as a trope but agree to disagree
And I get what you’re saying, but let’s not act like the term Y/N self-insert doesn’t usually come with the same type of behavior —overly emotional, endlessly desired, and every being’s savior. That’s not oddness, that’s acknowledging patterns.
As for her being a trope, you’re not wrong about ‘the broke, hardworking MC' setup. But that doesn’t cancel the fact that people can identify to her and a subtle writing. Not every character in this manhwa or any work needs with Santa Claus-type long list of quirky hobbies by chapter 5 to be a good character. Some characters are slow burns —emotionally restrained because that’s their situation.
Irl, there are people who finally find hobbies when they’re sixty years old. So it’s not a big deal that she has none or few.
But like you said, agree or disagree. People are still disagreeing about Earth being flat, or the sun being yellow or red, or waffles are better than pancakes.
Just, don’t confuse quiet or/and numb characterization with lack of it.
With all that hardship... She probably doesn't have time or desire for any hobby or personal interest. Literally every second of her life is taken by work. She had to give up one of her part time jobs to make time for Taeha. I don't think she is a "Mary Sue".
right just like how EVERY reader would be reacting like how you said they would is "acknowledging patterns". Not everything is clear cut.
Hobbies and interests/likes are not the same. I refuse to believe that someone can go their whole life not having at least an interest in anything. (and i'm talking about interests outside of relationships.)
There are quiet characters with good characterization that I like bc their entire personality isn't just being hardworking
theres a reason why this story has the rep of being written like something from wattpad but anyway like i said before agree to disagree have the day you deserve
yeah i agree but i personally was hoping for her to find an interest outside of a romantic relationship after breaking free from her ex. mary sues and self inserts are not the same
I hear you but you and I are looking at different things. You’re focused on patterns and tropes, and, I’m talking about nuance and intent. And it’s okay that made the story somehow rich because we have different perspectives.
Not every character has to be busting with hobbies and passions. And to have a large will to live to make them valid. People —Irl or fiction— are surviving, struck or dumb emotionally. That doesn’t mean they’re badly written or lifeless doll.
And there is so much example of FLs who are quiet, emotionally distant or have clear hobbies and dislikes outside of their roles. They are Rei Ayanami from Neon Genesis Evangelion, Moon Dong Eun from The Glroy, Mikasa Ackerman from Attack On Titan, Katniss Everdeen from Hunger Games. All those women barely had one interest, they were there just for the plot. But nobody will say that their lack of hobbies, silence, detachment or numbness were the things the most unrealistic and unrelatable. Each of them are great and affected the readers.
Same with FL here, is she really came off ‘hardworking' or 'a fiction from Wattpad', then not a lot of people would have identified to her, and, would have related to her. Her growth is there, it’s just subtle and not loud.
But hey, like you said, agree or disagree. I just find it interesting that for a character that you seem to dislike, you seem very committed to analyzing her.
But, have a good day. And, I’ll see you at the next chapter.
I think she'll slowly discover more of herself as she becomes more liberated from toxic/abusive patterns
Im so MADDDDD, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MORI?! RELEASE HIM, my poor baby I can't take this. If only i can comfort and hug him ┗( T﹏T )┛
Im kind of baffled how people dont respect byul's choice to see his grandma. Yeah the mom did something bad to hyesung, and its completely justified if hyesung doesn't wanna see her. However byul's is his own person he can make choices for himself, so yall dont have to say "Oh hyesung gonna be so sad, his son is meeting up with the evil woman who abandoned him." For hyesung she might be the most evil human being in existence but for byul she is just his grandma, the one who gave birth to his mother.
Im not saying she should be forgiven, but you shouldn't control about how another person should interact with another person just because you have a bad experience with them. And hyesung isn't even mad at his mother, hyesung just felt like he didn't need her, he didn't hate her he just felt like she is just a stranger now. If yall keep this up you just make yourselves sound like immature thirteen year olds.
She left her son with an abusive person when he was five and just moved on with her life... got married again made a new family and never checked up on him again until he hit the news...and then she got mad and blamed him for never trying to reach out for her.. you call that a mother?
If you were abused would you be okay with your closest people, your family, the people you trust the most in the world, meeting them as usual? Supporting them financially? Updating them and talking about you? All that behind your back..
Respect? Where is the respect towards Hyesung? Sure, Byul doesn't know what happened, but he is 17 yo and he is been meeting her for years now and he knows something happened, but he never bothered asking what... Dojin is even worse, he knows everything and exactly how it effected Hyesung and he still does this.
As an immature thirteen years old (according to you), who knows how it feels.... its make you lose all hope and want to ... its not about controling peoples choices its about trusting them to not to betray you... and no matter how you look at this, thats what they did...
yes i have been in a abusive household did i think about forgiving the one who abused me? NO, but will i feel betrayed if my loved ones wanted to see them? NO i dont think its a matter of being betrayed specially in this case where the one you should be blaming is the father. Yall keep on dunking on the mom like yes she's a terrible person but what is even the main reason she became a terrible person. STOP BEING DOUBLE STANDARDS. hyesung even said byul is already a grown up he knows what he is doing, and as the ones who watched him be made arent we the ones who should understand his feelings the most? Why do you keep dwelling on the past, you will never be able to move on if you keep thinking about insignificant things (talking about the grandma) Just be happy that byul is able to make his own decision, and whatever the conclusion or consequences of his action im with him until the end.
Ngl, i thought i was the only one fuming about the fl's behavior cuz wth, she infuriates me so much. How could someone be that dumb? And all her reasons are very terrible, like how do you blame a man for not being able to contact you when he is at war, if that was me i would be so freaking happy to see his body still intact. And they even told you the reason he wasn't able to contact you but you still blame him?! Wtf woman please use your freaking brain!
don't know why I'm here when I'm a bl fan, never read it btw.
then go back to bl tf
ok??? go back to reading bls then
shut tf up
let's not offend others bc i read bl too and i like gl at the same time
girl stfu there was literally no need for this comment "oh I'm a bl reader but I'm still here haha" like buddy you're not doing anyone a favour by being here you think nobody else here reads both gl and bl? I read literally every genre, but I don't feel the need to be annoying about it.
oh sorry I didn't think people would be annoyed at my comment, i just leave it here incase i had the intention to read it. You can just ignore this comment no need to be so angry.
i dropped it because it's not my cup of tea, i just felt pity for the roygar household like bruh, i can't just continue reading this after all that. So it might be goodbye to this manhwa.
As a Teacher myself, Oh gosh it infuriates me how ridiculous this is. If you are a TEACHER and you are a CLASSIST then you have " CLEARLY FAILED AS A TEACHER " You are supposed to be the guide of the children, so they make the best choices for themselves, you literally build the community's future. Why are you sorting these children as if theyre some tools you could perceive as VALUABLE and USELESS. Remember everyone, a good teacher will teach anyone, it doesnt matter who they are. And a bad teacher will just pick the ones they think are smart, the reason for that is because they cant do their jobs properly, meaning they are a teacher who " CAN'T TEACH, CAN'T GUIDE." Watch out for these types, they can ruin a child afterall and this also applies in real life.
Sorry for the yap, its just truly ridiculous if I could enter the manga, Id probably argue with that teacher and teach her how bad her ethics is as a teacher, she probably needs to go back to college reeducate herself as to why did she chose this profession, because I see how twisted she clearly is and how unsafe her teaching style is to children.