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I don’t get it though, esp bc I haven’t read the beginning in a while - Raymond seems to be extremely intelligent in the latest chapters, why did he not realize how his behavior in front of the emperor never helped Dorothy and try to coddle her in other ways instead? He obviously can’t overtly confront the Emperor so it just didn’t make sense for him to be that dense only regarding these few points and not check on her more discreetly? it’s just paradoxical that we get that much introspection into his mushy feelings yet also absolutely no indications of him resenting their father and condemning the emperor’s behavior emotionally speaking, even if he can’t publicly say it obviously. I love Ray because he seems to be the only one who truly loves Dorothy to that amount but his behavior wasn’t truly helpful in any way until now

still, he doesn't deserve the hate he gets. No one deserves to be hated just because they didn't defend somebody, also the story is not even finished yet, why Hate him. It's obviously the fathers fault not Ray he was just a child. Heck he was even hated by the Fl for no reason at all. Just because someone is treated better than you doesn't mean you can to hate them. Is him getting stabbed by her sword not enough of a Evidence to see that he truly loved her? if it's not then I don't know what is anymore.

Also just because you have a trauma and unfortunate turn of events in your life, it doesn't mean you can hurt others, her being a tyrant killing MASS amounts of people in the story, is literally RED FLAG on its own, she is obviously so focused on one persons hate for her she forgot that there are also other people on her side that loves her.

Preach manami. The boy literally died with a smile on his face after being killed by his own sister. And he would probablydo it again. That's a kind of love you only get when your ready to give ur all for someone. Showing them love even after they betrayed YOU. Pleeeease. In my opinion Ray is one of the characters that love her the most. Even more than she loves herself .

I understand what you're saying. I think, honestly, most of the hate comes from the fact that we're in Dororthy's POV. Ray hasn't really done anything wrong, but because of they way everyone treats BOTH of them, Dorothy hates him. When you're reading, it feels pretty damn justified, but when you take a step back and actually think about the situation, you realize that she's an extremely hurt child lashing out at someone who MAY have everything she wants, but hasn't actually done anything wrong. The reader's hatred of Ray stems from Dorothy's hatred.

its the truth though he might have been a dumb brother for the fl, but for me he is the best. The fl has a life of her own to make her own decisions, she is not always a child, did she ever think her brother also wants to be put in that situation, heck he even deprecates himself saying how better it would be if he is not the crown prince, because he felt like he didn't deserve it. She wanted to be LOVED but she throws away the people who actually LOVED her even more than herself.

I objectively think Ray is one of the few morally respectable characters in this webtoon. Dorothy’s mistreatment never ever justified what she did to him or any other character, even from her POV. Let’s not even talk about the father, if he can be called as such. Two things though:
1/ I don’t think being confused with Ray’s thought process goes against your opinion. I for myself certainly don’t hate him nor implied that he deserved hate, but the incoherences aren’t explained in the webtoon. His dynaics with Dorothy are badly written and laid out so far, which is too bad because he has shown really touching affection and selflessness for her. That probably plays a role in people’s conflicted feelings towards the comic.
2/ Dorothy spends her second life beating herself up about her insane resentment, so I’d say the unexplainable hate is being sort of explored in the webtoon at the very least. Hopefully the novel is better at this.

I don't usually comment but I think a lot of people at least dislike Ray because he's not the best at respecting boundaries and reading emotions.

Like, the situation with his sister and how people treat her is plain as day. And she's made it clear she doesn't like what he is doing (being overly affectionate, overly caring etc.) but instead of respecting that she doesn't want to be close to him and just letting go he keeps pushing.
Him being a kid doesn't excuse it, and neither does him doing it out of kindness or a place of caring. If he really cared and understood he would wait for her to reach out if she chooses to.

Please note that I can only speak from personal experience, and that people being pushing and overly kind espically in a situation where they aren't the active victim being purposefully harmed is quite frankly hell. Espically when they are being, for lack of better words obtuse and somewhat self centered in their approach.

But it doesnt make sense to me, as someone who is the "black sheep" of the family, if someone wants to approach me id be very glad, its not a excuse either to hate on someone specially if that person is your brother. Also ray is not pushing anything, he knows his sister is suffering, but instead of ignoring that he shows love instead he is trying to tell her she is not alone in this world. Also that also doesnt excuse her for the crimes she did, please dont justify her wrongs just because of trauma and and bad past experiences.

STOP HATING ON RAY, HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO DESERVE THIS.

I totally get what you mean and you're very right. It's not that I hate ray I just feel so frustrated, because in my own experience I have almost the same situation as the fl always getting compared to others and the other sibling is getting more affection. Yes, the fl crimes shouldn't be justified but I also get where she is coming from. The reason why I felt so frustrated is that ray should've tried to confront his father about the way he treat his sister. I don't really know how to explain it further lmao

He did get mad at his father and ask why he treat his sister like that. Its in one of the chapters, where he said something along the lines like " stop treating sister like that dad ".

You don’t know how much I agree with you (´°ω°｀)

Honestly like I get it she hates him but he loves her with all his heart he regrets not doing anything which is why he let her kill him ｡ﾟ(ﾟ´Д｀ﾟ)ﾟ｡

Yeah and he didnt even deserve that, they both have their own lives and his ended just because he loved his sister.

Exactly this. People act like authors are telling people it's okay for men to rape each other by writing a story that includes it. It's your responsibility as a human being to differentiate right from wrong and fiction from reality. Gay cartoon porn isn't meant to educate, so don't get upset if there's no life lesson

I agree with everything you said but one thing. You are disrespectful to the ones who do not see that trope in the story. You are talking about respecting others opinions but you made this story your pov going against what you said. Some of us thinks it is close to that trope but isn’t this trope by all the clues of the story.

However you are misunderstanding the situation here:
It will not stop. The ones you are talking about are trolls excluding their victims. We are sure one of them is a person with a few accounts here to start things to make fun of people. They are this on their profile page, it is “ I start fights on the Internet lol ”They think it would be hilarious if someone melts down on this story.
They have wrote “Dan was (this trope) lol” Trying to keep to your wishes here. So, it is a joke to them. They don’t have any respect for anyone. The group of them don’t have any respect for for anyone not even a rape survivor who said this wasn’t that trope and who was hideous attacked by trolls.

Honestly I don't care, either way if you think im disrespectful thats totally valid its your POV, this is my opinion only, of course i shouldn't force people to agree with me we all have different perspectives.

You are so BASED with this, i thought i was the only one thinking of it like that too.

I was not attacking you or trying to upset you.

“ THIS IS ONLY FICTION, THIS IS MADE FOR ENTERTAINMENT, if you can't respect other people for having OPINIONS then you shouldn't be even reading this genre because you are probably too immature to understand the word RESPECT.”

“Honestly I don’t care” -.-;

It is from your own words I got that opinion.
I respected you to no use the r word but one time. I apologize for that as I was trying to respect you. You were talking about how we should respect other people for having opinions but at the beginning of the post you made this story a certain trope that many people don’t see in this story for details for the story and facts not just opinions.
I was looking for something like “Oh! I see I don’t know that people had that view. I don’t mean to do that.” If you were genuinely sincere.

From “Either way” to the end of your comment. I think a misunderstanding here or took a different interpretation than I meant. I don’t think you forced anyone to agree with you. I didn’t force anyone to agree with me. I am confused why you said that but what I am saying is a simple fix. Maybe “these types of tropes” would had been better as it covers a range? I keep reading your first paragraph over. Maybe my bad? In a way it does seems it is not about one trope but after a few readings it does seem to be aimed at one trope. But given how you reacted it probably was about one trope. If you left room from other tropes from your opinion you respected other’s opinions instead of making one trope that not everyone sees.

We all have different perspectives was my first point in writing you. I think I upset you but what I said should not had. I am sorry that you are upset. What I was saying was a simple fix if you wanted to respect others but honestly you don’t care (saying being upset?) or is there a misunderstanding?
I wasn’t attacking. I wasn’t forcing you to agree with me. I was just agreeing with you and wished you did as you said.

I didn’t see this. Hentai is like this too.

You after realising that rape to love troupes in media contribute to rape culture by minimising rape into something that can be gotten over in a relationship:
You after realising this kind of media can dehumanise male survivors of sexual assault:

Chill out I was only asking a question geez

No that was not what i meant by saying I don't care what i mean by that is I don't care if people see me as disrespectful for saying that its my freedom to speak what i think. i probably worded that wrong for you to misunderstand me. Anyway thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know it would be sounding like I don't respect others, or that i was upset, i don't really make comments in stories like this because i easily get misunderstood, i just did today because i feel like people are taking the story too seriously, that they forgot its fiction and it shouldn't be put to action into Reality, thats what i wanted to say . and the other thing about my opinion the second stanza i was pointing out about how people don't try to understand each other and still try to force others how their opinion is right and that the other person is wrong. That's what i wanted to say, I don't think i explained it clearly but this is what i wanted to say, i probably sounded rude im sorry its my fault for wording it out like that.

You after realizing PEOPLE contribute to rape culture, not fictional comics about cartoon men getting their backs blown out:

You after realizing that if someone is dumb enough to use cartoon gay porn as a basis for formulating their morale, then they shouldn't be reading any adult content, period:

You after realizing that you can't blame a webcomic that was made for entertainment purposes when people use it in ways that it was not intended for: !?!?

You after finding out that if any male sexual assault survivor has ever been dehumanized, it was the fault of the dumbass who dehumanized them, not the cartoon porn:

"Rape culture happens all around us, every single day. You can find it every time you turn on the TV in how media characterizes sexual assault and rape as well as the victims and perpetrators. Movies utilize rape culture to create drama or illicit laughs. It’s used in advertisements to seduce you into thinking you need a product. Video games widely exploit it. And music blends it in seamlessly with its lyrics."

ANYTHING can contribute to rape culture, male victims are dehumanised by RAPE CULTURE and ANYTHING contributing to it. Believe it or not, content that trivialises rape and sexual assault dehumanises male victims by perpetuating the idea that rape is common and or 'not a big deal'. By wrongfully displaying the psychological reactions a survivor would have to rape this kind of content elludes to the idea that victims speaking out or 'making a big deal' out of rape is abnormal and inconvenient. This causes speaking out to become even more stigmatised and harms real victims of this societal pressure to stay silent. Pornography largely contributes to rape culture in general by romanticising rape into some sort of sexy fantasy. Fiction does not mean that it doesnt indirectly harm victims of assault and it is actually one of the biggest and most prominent contributors to rape culture whether it be a TV show, a movie, a book or a comic. Educate yourself before you say these kinds of things man, its not the same as a goofy serial killer romance cause we dont have 'murder culture' do we?

Well we do but its not as prominent to say the least.

This is true. However, I did find myself educated on cauliflower ears!

At least Cain didn't sexually assaulted Jooin

He did tho... And this is coming from a Cain stan

Omg thank you

He did he kissed someone who was not in the mental state

A lot of women in relationships don’t come forward in the US because of the police don’t believe them , so imagine a gay man going to the police in Korea about a relationship he had? Stop the victim shaming!

Am i victim shaming when did i do that please read carefully before commenting. （￣へ￣）

You are actually accusing here what i mean by that is that he might actually liked what yahwi did and that was just an assumption i did not say anything to jooin what i said was if he is innocent why don't he reject someone who he likes less, so he wouldn't hurt the one who he doesn't choose. （￣へ￣）

“jooin hates it then he should have reported it to the police”

Ik these are just fictional characters so I won’t judge you too harshly but if you were ever to tell someone that irl then you really are a shitty person

As someone who experienced it in real life i tell you its horrible and you just don't want that happening ever again, why would i victim shame here im assuming here that he may have liked what happens and the was just an assumption i did not confirmed that he indeed liked it, if that happens in real life it doesn't matter if he is in a gay relationship with someone and that one raped him the police won't care about his identity and preference as long as the medical came and confirmed what happened the person who raped him will be jailed.

Technically because if some reporting will happen here, there's a possibility that Yeehaw will end up in jail. No one wants that to happen specially in these kind of plot since no rOmAncE will be produced. I do agree that Jooin needs to fucking make up his mind and choose already so they can all move forward

Yeah, I really didn't agree with that statement either, like holy shit
I don't personally think it was rape because there haven't been signs of Jooin feeling that way about their sexual intercourse (but this argument only works because this is a work of fiction in which we can clearly see a lot of the characters emotions and thoughts and would be completely invalid in an irl situation)
Anywho that's just based on my perception of events and the character's emotions

Finally people who are open minded to other peoples opinions where are yall all this time