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I believe you are taking about Daato's Story which is called Remnant Kemonohito Omegabirth and it has not been translated yet (I don't think). There is the chapter 1 raw on myreadingmanga (Just click on the title) https://myreadingmanga.info/tag/hasumi-hana/

Yup thats the one. Thanks I'll check it out.
Raws just make me sad though cause looking at it makes me want to read it too!

See a psychiatrist. Find a damn good one. And an exorcist, too, might be helpful.
But first, the psychiatrist.

Wow, dude. VERY MATURE.
Anon was just sharing what she/he thinks,
no need to be offensive.

And don't worry anon, I don't think he's like that.
We haven't fully catch Hui Hui's part of the story,
It's too soon to judge just yet. ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

Thanks for backing me up! ^_^
I am not really worried and even if Hui Hui really is how I think he is its kind of needed for surviving in his circumstances. Lan is too gentle. But the other character did say Lan doesn't know Hui Hui's real personality. Lets hope I am wrong!

Well there is the tragedy tag. Feel free to share your own twisted ideas on why its there then lets both go look for a psychiatrist!

When it comes to the tragedy tag I would be wary of taking it seriously. There are manga on this website with happy endings that are tagged tragedy. I mean Disney level they live happily ever after endings and people jumped to conclusions and labeled it tragedy just because the beginning is bleak and unpleasant.

It would be good if that is the case here. Where they both are right now is sad enough!

Oh, my thoughts exactly (about Hui Hui being manipulative). It's true Lan is too soft (that's why he ends up being hurt both emotionally and physically), that's why it's true when he admits he's on the edge. Hui Hui seems to be a smart and cunning boy who hates what's going on around him rather than gets used to it (like other boys/young men). I guess, this hate is the only thing the brothers share, but other than that they are completely different, nearly opposite (not like the opposites that complement each other, but more like opposites that won't ever overlap). And while Lan is about to break anytime soon, Hui Hui, on the other hand, seems to survive even f Lan is not around. And, yes, someone has mentioned that Hui Hui won't allow Lan to be happy unless he's happy himself, I also receive those vibes from him. But despite anything Hui Hui is by no means a less interesting character. I just hope Lan can be saved before he breaks down in this misery.

Huihui isn't being manipulative, he's a very young child being tortured and raped over and over, and he's scared shitless that his only family in the world is going to leave him behind. I want Lan to be happy too, but not by sacrificing his little brother, and leaving him behind like some unwanted puppy, while he goes off with his boyfriend. Lan is being a good big brother by staying and giving Huihui the little bit of happiness he can get in that horrible world. If Lan were to leave Huihui behind, he'd be just like their mother who dumped them at the brothel and left them without a care.

Oh I never said Hui Hui wasn't interesting. Waiting to see how the story progresses!
Glad to see someone else agrees with me!

I understand your pov. Kind of even agree with it. But with Lan's personality I don't think he will leave Hui Hui behind. Just feel that if their positions were reversed then Lan would let Hui Hui go for his brothers happiness whereas Hui Hui will not.

He knows that his brother cares for him and instead of being grateful or thankful he will take advantage of the love and care. But that's just how I feel. I could be wrong.

Well, perhaps it would be interesting for you to know that all little children are trying to be manipulative (and many succeed: very often a child's hysterical cry is a form of manipulation, and many parents don't know how to deal with it), it's how they learn their own and other people's boundaries, how they learn who submits to them and whom they should submit to etc, so there's nothing wrong with Hui Hui being manipulative. Hui Hui is definitely not stupid, he cannot be lured easily, he's firm with his views and is ready to fight for himself (even at other people's costs just like he just like he tripped another boy). Then again I personally don't give it a negative connotation. All Hui Hui wants is to be happy, he just hasn't defined what being happy is for himself or hasn't learnt that his own happiness does not necessarily mean another person's misfortune, he's a boy in a secluded environment, he's got much to discover. It's really interesting to watch this boy's development.

Well, the same feeling. Moreover, I've got a feeling that Hui Hui is not the only one who took advantage of Lan. And I also presume that, sadly enough, Hui Hui simply doesn't know what gratitude is or how to show it (I can hardly imagine anything of the kind in a brothel).

Well, this is kind of what I fear. If Lan stays and breaks down or even dies on Hui Hui, his "sacrifice" would only put Hui Hui into the depth of despair and be actually useless. But if, on the other hand, he chooses to live/leave (not to gain prosperity, but to simply survive) he can 1) return later on and buy Hui Hui's debt; 2) give Hui Hui both scars and strength through the deepest anger; 3) at least protect the young prince from an obvious danger of being murdered. It's true that blood is thicker than water (especially in countries like China), but no matter how heartless it might sound, I don't think it means it should drown anyone for nothing (if someone drown for their blood, they or those related to them by blood should at least get something apart from their dead body from their death). Well, speaking about Lan and Hui Hui, it's wise if Lan leaves something behind him to Hui Hui (if the only thing Hui Hui gets is Lan's sick/insane/dead body it would be yet another burden for the boy).

Let me clear something here. I do not hate Hui Hui. I have nothing personal against him.His cunning is a need for survival I understand that too.
I just shared the vibe I got that he will deliberately bar Lan's possible happiness if it evercomes his way. Plus even Lan doesn't know Hui Hui's real personality.
WhileI am at it I would add that I also have a feeling that it was Hui Hui who brought that pervert's attention back to Lan cause he heard Lan might leave. And no I am not ignoring the state he is in or the fact that the pervert is as sickening for Hui Hui as he is for Lan just that Lan being in the same situation wouldn't do the same to Hui Hui. Thats how i feel. I believe i am free to interpret each character how I really perceive them.

True that. I don't see how he can save the prince by leaving with him though.

That's an interesting thought, it never occurred to me it could be actually Hui Hui behind the pervert's return to Lan. Hopefully, it will be explained in the oncoming chapters. By the way, I reread some chapters and found out another aspect: Hui Hui is actually conflicted between his care for Lan and care for himself: when Hui Hui talked to another boy, he openly admitted that Lan was too soft to even strangle Hui Hui to death in order to cover him from all the misery of being a young male prostitute. Yet at the same time, like any other child, Hui Hui feels guilty and thinks he might be at the core of all brother's misfortunes, which is also not true. He also admits that Lan might be better off without Hui Hui around. Then again he feels terrible when Lan gets whipped instead of him. And then again he desperately doesn't want Lan to leave with a noble. It seems like Lan for Hui Hui is on some kind of god-like pedestal at the moment, Hui Hui doesn't quite realize that Lan is a mortal being, moreover his powers are quite limited to as much as not tying the rope around Hui Hui too tight, the boy doesn't realize his brother can literally do nothing to truly protect him. Well, it seems Hui Hui will have to see the drastic reality soon enough. But if your point proves to be right, and it's really Hui Hui behind the pervert's return, then Lan needs to be saved not only from the brothel, but from his younger brother as well.

Now that you mention it...you are right about the conflicted part. Though I don't think he puts his elder brother on a pedestal. More like, he looks down on him at certain times like saying Lan is too soft. I think he sees Lan as a pillar of support for himself. And I don't mean that in a bad sense because he probably does care for Lan in his own way and he does need him emotionally as much as the pillar because he believes he can still be an innocent child in front of Lan who would see him as innocent instead of piercing into the depths of lost innocence.
Honestly I think I might even understand all of Hui Hui's actions ,cornered as he is, but its too sad for Lan because he also suffered the same. Perhaps more because he knows he can't protect his little brother from suffering the same way. Plus with his face disfigured he probably has to go through alot of bullying as well.

I guess calling Lan Hui Hui's emotional pillar is pretty the same as me saying Hui Hui puts Lan on a godlike pedestal (meaning he is capable of nearly anything including of properly protecting Hui Hui which isn't true. And accepting the truth to Hui Hui might be almost as hurtful as disappointment in a god). Yeah, Hui Hui definitely needs that kind of emotional support, and so far Lan is the only source of it. And probably you're right saying that Hui Hui prefers to look innocent in front of Lan (like he asked another guy to prepare him for the client instead of asking Lan, then he started provoking the guy, and it was not the first and only time Hui Hui tried to provoke someone).

Oh, and yeah, it tears my heart reading other comments stating that Lan would be just the same as their mother if he leaves Hui Hui in the brothel (we don't know the mother's circumstances, by the way, but to young children her actions will always be equal to betrayal regardless of ciscumstances). It's not like Lan comes from a cosy homely environment and just tries to ditch a ballast for his own comfort, he's only trying to survive at his limits (you're absolutely right saying that Lan once also was a boy who suffered the same as Hui Hui, same as all other boys in the brothel. The only difference is Hui Hui doesn't remember what a family/home/mother is, and Lan does. He still remember the way their mother acted when abandoning there, and this scar makes him suffer even more than his right eye. He also feared when they almost took Hui Hui from him. Then he suffered again when he lost his eye and his status even in that kind of society). So yeah, Lan went through the same (or even worse taking into consideration how obsessed everyone once was with his looks).

Oh boy, this manhua is really diverse.

No what I was trying to say is that he understands that Lan can't protect him hence his derisive attitute when telling that Lan couldn't kill him. But he will still reply on Lan's presence.
I don't agree with thise comments either. They kinda made me sad instead. I feel that Lan is probably the most tragic character here. Like you said he knew a normal life atleast and then he suffered like this. For Hui Hui he may understand his situation is not the norm even long for a normal life but he can't miss what he never had and yes the betrayal! That was the worst! He has to sell himself and also take acre of his little brother knowing the brother will suffer the same as him.

Lol ture. The author really knows how to get our head spinning. Btw if you like conjecture try Moritat. Been following that since chapter 2 was out. And i still don't know who is right and who is wrong in that webtoon!

Oh, I know Moritat, I'm reading it, too. (: Moritat is more of a mind game, but it's also well portrayed so I'm enjoying it as well. It's peculiar that lately I'm enjoying reading manhua and manhwa more often than manga, I could have never imagined that before. o_0

Can't miss what he never had....How horrible to be destined for a horrible life since birth. Not knowing of any kind of happiness. Children in Syria being born in airstrike, their only fears are bombs. If the boy dies now, the only thing he knows is the brothel while his brother at least has thoughts of his lover and the life he had before. With the way you talk about it, Hui Hui just seems to be a burden to Lan, and blood thicker than water BS(to the other person) Yeah blood shouldn't matter if you're talking about adults with another adult. But here you're talking about an older brother and a younger brother. You are the older one, obviously you have to take care of your younger brother. It's not like you're talking about an adult child talking to his adult mother then you can bring in blood shouldn't matter. But your own younger sibling? One who isn't of age yet? You want to leave because you think blood shouldn't be thicker than water? Seriously? You guys must be very fortunate if you can say of such stuff.

I was 13 when I had to start working so that my little brother could get lunch money for my parents and that they wouldn't have to give me money. 15, when I had to pay for mine and my bro's allowances for books and food because my dad was hospitalised. It was horrible juggling both but I never once hated my brother because he was younger and I knew I was the older sister and I did it because I loved my younger brother. You think he wasn't a little shit sometimes? You think I didn't get beat up when something broke and I took the blame? Or when he stole money from my parents and I had to stop them from hitting him? Seriously, the way you talk about Hui Hui and I'm talking more for the person who replied you. That's horrible.

I agree with the other comments, if Lan left his brother for his own happiness he is the same as his mother. And not knowing the mother's circumstance? Unless the mother actually fought to take the boys away, she is at fault.( And I'm talking to the other person who said that we do not know the mother's circumstance.) If you leave your child to such a situation, you are at fault. For first, birthing children you couldn't take care of and second for then leaving them at a brothel.

If he leaves without his brother, I truly hope he goes to hell. Especially since he knows WHERE he's leaving his younger brother at. It's funny you think he can have ANY form of happiness if he left Hui Hui. As though he would not get HAUNTED by the fact that he left his brother. That he won't KILL himself for leaving his brother to a place where he knows what happens.

If you think he can leave and still be happy. Then he's probably a worse person than I thought he could be.

Thank you for sharing your experience, you've been though quite a lot. Hopefully, misfortunes will avoid you and your sibling.

I've been through a lot, too (in parent-children aspect). The only thing is that I don't have a mindset that allows me to judge other people from my personal experience. Even the mother in the story. It's my personal experience, so the only one I can judge is myself. I don't think judging someone would do any good for either me or for the person I judge. I presume, the only right thing to do is sharing experience, like you did. Only when another person with similar (similar, but still different) circumstances sees an example of another person's experience, they might come to conclusions that make them wish to change.

As for Hui Hui, I guess I didn't draw the line of my thought clear enough. My ultimate wish for the boys is for them to escape the brothel, clear their names from a slave registry and leave peacefully as free citizens. I might be blind, but I just don't see how they can do that remaining in brothel together. They live in a secluded world, so in order to find a solution, they need to think outside the box. If they can't find solution on their own, I don't see anything blameable in seeking for a solution outside or from other people. What Lan (as the elder brother) can do now is: 1) to find a nobleman who can become a patron who will erase their names from the slave registry and eventually buy Hui Hui out (or Lan can start earning money on his own, once a free citizen, and buy Hui Hui out afterwards himself). Of course, theoretically Hui Hui can also find a wealthy patron and buy Lan out, but at the time being the boy is too inexperienced to handle that. And one more thing: theoretically Hui Hui can also find a patron, but it doesn't mean such a patron will ever appear in the future; 2) Lan can escape, find a gang of robbers or murderers, join them and set them on the brothel in order to destroy it and free Hui Hui and lead their lives as criminals. What else can Lan do being a slave? I would appreciate it if someone told me, because nothing comes to mind. Social roles are restricting Lan's actions pretty much, unfortunately, he doesn't leave in a vacuum so there will always be other people who are willing to judge involved. Well, of course there is always another option: to break social role system. But even for that Lan must possess something (e. g. enormous physical strength and leadership qualities that will allow him to lead a revolution, or be a cunning genius who can benefit from any mindgame). I might be blind, but I just don't see anything of the kind. Lan is your ordinary boy (well, not quite ordinary, he was considered astonishingly beautiful until he got that scar), his powers are limited, and his spirit is nearly broken (how starving he was for human warmth, how he was begging Yong to share his warmth with him), what he can do now it grab that chance and use it. Of course, there is no guarantee Lan won't die somewhere in the middle or Hui Hui can hang on for so long, but I don't see why Lan should let the opportunity slip just because of that. He might die for Hui Hui (and once Lan is dead, his struggle is over), but he also might live for Hui Hui. As I have already mentioned, my ultimate wish is for the boys to flee from the brothel and lead a normal and peaceful life. Escape is not much of an option, because as another boy mentioned, the owners will be looking for them. Even if the owners don't find them, the brothers will have to always hide and lie about their identities, always on alert and in fear of being caught and punished. There is another thing to be kept in mind: time. Have you seen elderly prostitutes in the brothel? I might be blind, but I haven't. What happens to the boys who reach a certain age and stop selling? Brothel is not a charity home, they don't keep anyone who can't work there. So what happens to the boys? Are they disposed of (e. g. killed)? Are they sold to other households in order to keep on their slavery labour? How much time exactly does Lan have on his hands before it happens to him as well? He might not have the time and luxury to wait until Hui Hui grows up and become ready for actions, Hui Hui might never be ready, Hui Hui might never even grow up (as everyone knows, at that time the sex was unprotected, and no one knew what type of disease they could catch or when). All the more reason for not letting the opportunity slide, to my mind. As I'm sure I have already mentioned, my ultimate wish for the boys is to flee from the brothel and live as free citizens no matter what their future choices will be. If Lan needs to leave Hui Hui in the brothel in order: 1) to survive + 2) to erase their names from slave registry and become free citizens + 3) to become independent and preferably wealthy enough to buy Hui Hui out on his own - then, I say, be it so. Even if Lan's fate lead him away from his ultimate goal eventually, I don't see why he should not leave for the better. I also don't see what either of the brothers can gain from them sticking together until they rot both mentally and physically without putting up a fight (have I underlined that the boys are slaves and according to social roles of that time, they are not allowed to even deal with their own life? Like, when they are disposed of, they might be sold to different households in different parts of the country or even abroad). I just cannot share philosophy that romanticises Utopian sentiments that lead to no development/evolution, sorry for being not a romantic person. Staying in the brothel together just because 'blood is thicker than water' without an attempt to look at a bigger picture is a path of the least resistance from my point of view (let's at least remember my question about fate of grown up/elderly prostitutes), I don't see how it helps to solve anything let alone the entire problem. I might be blind though and not see something obvious. Oh, and one more thing I thought of. Try to imagine: cleaning dirt with dirty water and cleaning dirt with pure water - which works better? Lan staying with Hui Hui the way he is is like cleaning dirt with dirty water with Lan being dirty water (not because he is a prostitute, but because of the feelings that overwhelm him right now, because of the inner conflict that escalates as each day passes) and dirt being the secluded world of under-aged male prostitution. What I mean is Lan is broken, and there is not much a broken person can carry safely both for the broken person and for the things they carry. That is why I firmly believe Lan m_u_s_t leave with Yong if Yong gives him an opportunity, sorry for being so straight-forward.

What you said was that blood thicker than water means nothing. And I was replying that that is untrue. You were then saying how Lan should leave Hui Hui behind. All this talk in your second para is opposite to what you have already commented multiple times. You are contradicting yourself. You basically made Hui Hui to be some kind of devil child that should be left alone just because he is desperate for his brother to stay with him(isn't it weird how a child might be desperate enough to be with someone familiar even if they might live their life out as prostitutes? How horrible.) And that Lan should leave Hui Hui behind for HIS good not THEIR good. So I'm sorry if I don't take your second para seriously.

Old prostitutes get left out to beg for food, killing actually takes manpower and labour to do so rather than simply leaving them out to beg for food. This is my opinion but it is more feasible than simply killing them and it actually happens irl. Like I said, you stated multiple times Lan should leave for his own happiness and like I said, Lan would not be able to do that. And if he does, then he MUST be a worse person than I thought.

It's easy for YOU to talk about people and feelings as though it doesn't help unless it benefits them, but people can live their lies in destitute and still at least be happy with the family they have. What is beneficial to YOU is not the same for others. People kill themselves from the guilt they have, leads lives full of regret If Hui Hui was left behind and something happened to him, Lan has no chance of happiness. It's easy to say how one situation might benefit from the other if you do not take into account the people involved. Lan may not be better if he goes away or be able to think of a plan when all he does is worry about Hui Hui, feel guilty about leaving Hui Hui and doing the EXACT thing that Hui Hui is afraid that he'll do. You want to talk about beneficial situation but you are only talking in YOUR own perspective if you were in Lan's shoes but not as Lan himself. So it's not right for you to dictate which is more beneficial for someone else.

Well, I see a slight difference between explaining my point of view using my own experience (no matter how mighty it might sound, it's the only measurement I've got. My arms will never be longer than they are, I can only embrace that much. Not the common knowledge or staff like that, but my very own experience whether it gives me food for thought or, on the contrary, narrows my point of view) and criticizing someone else's point of view due to my own judgement. I've tried to explain myself (don't see striking contradictions, by the way. And I don't see Hui Hui as a monster, never called him one. But I feel this boy can be dangerous, be it good or bad for others - we'll have time to see. He's got a spirit, he's ready to push his limits and test others, and can turn out to be a fierce fighter both literally and figuratively), but I'm not going to criticize you. I did underline that everything I wrote, I wrote from my own perception, glad you noticed. Have a nice time reading, hopefully this manhua won't upset or hurt you, neither will it brake your hopes.

Ugh, it's bugging me how arrogant this very "I won't criticize you" sounds. I should've put it another way instead, like "I'm stopping here now". So foolish about me, sorry about that.

Huihui is frickin raped over and over for Lan too dude

Me too!!!
I think it has to do with the fact that manhua and manhwas are bringing in new plots. Mangas have gotten typical. All genre have become very predictable.

Ok wow. Sorry but it is starting to get amusing how personally everyone is taking my comment and apparently I am the o e that needs to see the psychiatrist.
Too all the Hui Hui sympathizers:
1. Never said anything like it's alright for Hui Hui to be where he is.
2. Nor called him a monster. Just manipulative. Just the fact that his brother doesn't know his real personality proves I was right.
So basically its okay for you guys if Hui Hui is protected, always has a shadow to take the heat even if it means that Lan is seared by protecting him.
There can't be a right or wrong answer in this scenario. If either of them try to be happy they both have the right. For those saying big brother should protect. Please keep in mind Lan is already protecting as much as he can for as long as he could and was suffering himself while trying to protect. A person can only endure so much.

Yes I still believe Hiu Hiu could deliberately stop Lan from achieving happiness whereas I believe in reversed situation Lan would be happy for his brother
Yes I could be wrong about him
And no I will not change my mind unless the Manhua shows so
Yes i am open to sound arguments if you have any.
But please keep judgemental snaps to youself. Nor will I reply to quips made in anger just because u didn't like my comment.